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ravingdave
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Hey MSimon ! Is this guy one of your's ? :)

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Yes, I know Libertarianims is not (supposed to be) Anarchy, and I know you are more of a Fiscal Conservative than a Libertarian, but I saw this and Just couldn't help thinking about you. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_ex ... mma,134737


How could someone SO educated be an Anarchist ? I would really like to hear his reasoning for this.


David

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Re: Hey MSimon ! Is this guy one of your's ? :)

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ravingdave wrote:Yes, I know Libertarianims is not (supposed to be) Anarchy, and I know you are more of a Fiscal Conservative than a Libertarian, but I saw this and Just couldn't help thinking about you. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_ex ... mma,134737

How could someone SO educated be an Anarchist ? I would really like to hear his reasoning for this.

David
He is an anarchist. Where did anything lead you to believe he was a libertarian or a Libertarian? I know in politics making stuff up is popular but aren't we supposed to be a tad above that? Small government is not the same as no government. And in any case most anarchists are of the socialist/communist variety. At least in the 1930s. I think it still runs that way although I haven't kept up.

And note: I'm not even a Libertarian any more. I'm a libertarian-Republican.
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Re: Hey MSimon ! Is this guy one of your's ? :)

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MSimon wrote:
ravingdave wrote:Yes, I know Libertarianims is not (supposed to be) Anarchy, and I know you are more of a Fiscal Conservative than a Libertarian, but I saw this and Just couldn't help thinking about you. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_ex ... mma,134737

How could someone SO educated be an Anarchist ? I would really like to hear his reasoning for this.

David
He is an anarchist. Where did anything lead you to believe he was a libertarian or a Libertarian? I know in politics making stuff up is popular but aren't we supposed to be a tad above that? Small government is not the same as no government. And in any case most anarchists are of the socialist/communist variety. At least in the 1930s. I think it still runs that way although I haven't kept up.

And note: I'm not even a Libertarian any more. I'm a libertarian-Republican.
There are distinctions to be made among anarchists.

You can have your Noam Chomsky/Unabomber/Ruckus Society type left-anarchists who hate money, corporations, business, private property and see big government as a tool of the corporate elites and a consequence of the corrupting influence of money on what should be, according to them, a kumbaya-like nirvana state of everybody amicably reaching consensus in a timely and efficient manner (which typically depends on capitalist-developed computer technologies like Macs to compute proper distribution of resources). These types are the ones who like spraypainting A's all over the place, smashing windows at anti-globalization protests, etc. and generally wind up hanging out with stalinist and trotskyist groups.

Then you have your anarcho-capitalist types, who hang out with libertarians just fine and tend to be the orthodox logical end-point of many libertarians philosophical development. They do believe in the power of the free market and recognise that the main problems that corporations cause are generally because big government shelters corporations from legal liability for their actions, much as they shelter bad cops from accountability as well. Some ancappers are absolutists who try to impose litmus tests on other libertarians, saying if you are not ancap you are not libertarian, etc etc. I call these types 'bunkertarians' because they invariably wind up living in bunkers waiting for the black helicopters.

There are pragmatic and practical ancappers. People who recognise that most people arent fit to go all the way ancap and think that thats ok. They also recognise that minarchism typical of libertarians is generally sensible because, as one founding father said, "if men were angels, there would be no need of government." Men are not angels, humans for the most part are decent, but a hefty percentage of them are pretty nasty people who are unwilling or incapable of determining and acting to achieve any sort of rational long term self interest, particularly ones that include Nash equilibria at all.

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Nash equilibria
I'm not familiar with the term.
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MSimon wrote:
Nash equilibria
I'm not familiar with the term.
Game Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

John Forbes Nash, Jr. shared the 1994 Nobel Prize for work he did while suffering from paranoia. It represents a particularly jaded set of assumptions about human nature.
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Re: Hey MSimon ! Is this guy one of your's ? :)

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MSimon wrote:
ravingdave wrote:Yes, I know Libertarianims is not (supposed to be) Anarchy, and I know you are more of a Fiscal Conservative than a Libertarian, but I saw this and Just couldn't help thinking about you. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_ex ... mma,134737

How could someone SO educated be an Anarchist ? I would really like to hear his reasoning for this.

David
He is an anarchist. Where did anything lead you to believe he was a libertarian or a Libertarian? I know in politics making stuff up is popular but aren't we supposed to be a tad above that? Small government is not the same as no government. And in any case most anarchists are of the socialist/communist variety. At least in the 1930s. I think it still runs that way although I haven't kept up.

And note: I'm not even a Libertarian any more. I'm a libertarian-Republican.
It doesn't have to make sense. :)

I just mentally associate Libertarians with Anarchists. Like I said before, i've talke to quite a few Libertarians, and some of them are of the Opinion that speed limit signs are a violation of their Freedom to drive as fast as they want.

Just poking a little fun. I'm sorry. I'll do my Bart Simpson Penance


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David

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