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MSimon wrote:American Conservatism:

Government has certain limited functions (keeping the peace, enforcing contracts, limiting fraud, defending the nation, enhancing commerce by reducing impediments) that should be strictly limited in order to minimize the damage that government operatives operating under the power of the state can do.

By that definition there are very few conservatives in America. There were proportionately a lot more when the nation was founded.

America has devolved into two main camps - the moral socialists and the economic socialists.

The "leave us alone" camp - the true American Conservatives - are not well represented.

Even the moral socialists are not well represented in the media.

So who are the American Conservatives in the media? John Stossel, and Penn and Teller.

Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. are in the moral socialist faction.
Amen.

It is very hard to find any small government, pro-choice, lower taxes, stop entitlements, pro capitalism, actually read the constitution, practice your own religion and stop bugging me with it bretheren out there.

My opinion is this. Not only does the media have an extreme liberal bias but the media is also very intentionally polarizing. The latter being the more dangerous of the two faults.

As far as Fox News, Hannity, and Rush, it is such a convenient falacy to include these outlets of information as part of the media trying to show balance when in fact they are really more of an alternative media grown out of an existing imbalance. Conservative talk radio is SO popular because it is the only place to escape a HUGE liberal bias. Liberal talk radio is so unpopular because it offers nothing different than what is the norm. Fox is SO popular because it gets such a huge percentage of the alienated conservative viewers.

When the fairness docterine is enacted, things will get a lot worse. The major outlets and their weakly disguised liberal bias will continue as usual. The alternatives will be crushed. This part of the master plan will probably not happen until the second term.

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MSimon wrote:And funny thing is for all his Marxist upbringing and the socialist rhetoric he fobbed off on his south side constituents the new guy is looking more and more, in terms of policy, like a center right kind of guy.
I think you are wrong. He is winning trust first by coming to the center. The master plan comes later. Remember... this is the man who thinks the "fundamental problem" with the constitution is that it limits government.

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Re: Tell you what Mike,

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TDPerk wrote:I'll bet you $1,000.00 that no current AGW model accurately predicts the global temperature to within +/- 0.1 degC over the next ten years, without internally inconsistent, ad hoc tweaks to the data driving the model to coincidence.

Bet to settle on Jan. 08, 2018.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
Don't do that! There is a wide range of predictions for climate models. The likelihood that one will hit is pretty darn high even if AGW is bogus.

Terrible bet. Your opponent has a huge double draw with two overs - way too many outs.

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seedload wrote:
MSimon wrote:And funny thing is for all his Marxist upbringing and the socialist rhetoric he fobbed off on his south side constituents the new guy is looking more and more, in terms of policy, like a center right kind of guy.
I think you are wrong. He is winning trust first by coming to the center. The master plan comes later. Remember... this is the man who thinks the "fundamental problem" with the constitution is that it limits government.
A definite possibility. OTOH if he is a finger in the wind kind of guy (ala Clinton) the damage will not be too great.
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alexjrgreen wrote:
ravingdave wrote:Both Barack AND Michelle Obama have their LAW licenses suspended.
You can find their status here https://www.iardc.org/ardcroll.asp by searching for a Last Name of "obama".

Michelle's "court ordered inactive status" is explained here http://www.illinoisbar.org/Association/8-16b.htm in the section headed "Fees raised for attorneys out of state or inactive"
[Illinois Supreme Court] Rule 770, which covered voluntary transfer to inactive status, has been abolished.
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At the same time, the Supreme Court transferred to the ARDC administrator the responsibility of deciding whether to approve written requests for assumption of inactive status.
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An attorney whose request for inactive status is approved by the administrator, and who pays the $70 fee, "shall no longer be eligible to practice law or hold himself or herself out as being authorized to practice law" in Illinois.
Prior to June 29 1999, an attorney had to petition the Illinois Supreme Court to become inactive. This process has now been delegated to the ARDC administrator.

I followed your link and did a search. This is what I got.
"ARDC Lawyer Search Results from the ARDC database last updated as of January 8, 2009 at 10:30:58 AM: for the following terms: Last Name: obama, status: All, City: chicago, State: IL, Country: all

Your search terms do not match the record of any lawyer licensed in Illinois. Please check your terms for accuracy and try your search again. NOTE: The last name is a required field, but you may choose a phonetic search, particularly if you are not sure of the spelling of the last name. Do not include address information if you are searching for a retired judge or a lawyer who is retired, inactive, deceased or who never registered with ARDC, as their addresses are not available online due to privacy considerations or because ARDC never received those addresses. Including their addresses in a search will exclude them from the search results."
As for the "Court ordered Inactive status", various articles which I have read, and purports to include comments from actual lawyers opine that the law license suspensions were for misconduct.

I am not a lawyer, and I don't know why their licenses are Suspended or Inactive. My actual point was that an investigative reporter, ( you know, like the one that found out about sarah palin's husbands DUI from 1984, or her tanning bed etc. ) should have investigated and reported.

If the answer is benign, fine. The license was suspended because they didn't want to practice law, or whatever. ( rather odd spending years obtaining a law license, then letting it lapse for any reason. )


This should have been a story, even if just a blurb.



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MSimon wrote: A definite possibility. OTOH if he is a finger in the wind kind of guy (ala Clinton) the damage will not be too great.
Agreed.

Clinton's greatest accomplishment was his inability to accomplish almost everything he set out to do. There are a few past Presidents I only wish had been able to "accomplish" as much.

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seedload wrote:
MSimon wrote:And funny thing is for all his Marxist upbringing and the socialist rhetoric he fobbed off on his south side constituents the new guy is looking more and more, in terms of policy, like a center right kind of guy.
I think you are wrong. He is winning trust first by coming to the center. The master plan comes later. Remember... this is the man who thinks the "fundamental problem" with the constitution is that it limits government.
If he pulls a 180 degree switcharoo... I think he'll get run over by his own momentum.

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ravingdave wrote:I followed your link and did a search. This is what I got.
"ARDC Lawyer Search Results from the ARDC database last updated as of January 8, 2009 at 10:30:58 AM: for the following terms: Last Name: obama, status: All, City: chicago, State: IL, Country: all

Your search terms do not match the record of any lawyer licensed in Illinois. Please check your terms for accuracy and try your search again. NOTE: The last name is a required field, but you may choose a phonetic search, particularly if you are not sure of the spelling of the last name. Do not include address information if you are searching for a retired judge or a lawyer who is retired, inactive, deceased or who never registered with ARDC, as their addresses are not available online due to privacy considerations or because ARDC never received those addresses. Including their addresses in a search will exclude them from the search results."
As for the "Court ordered Inactive status", various articles which I have read, and purports to include comments from actual lawyers opine that the law license suspensions were for misconduct.

I am not a lawyer, and I don't know why their licenses are Suspended or Inactive. My actual point was that an investigative reporter, ( you know, like the one that found out about sarah palin's husbands DUI from 1984, or her tanning bed etc. ) should have investigated and reported.

If the answer is benign, fine. The license was suspended because they didn't want to practice law, or whatever. ( rather odd spending years obtaining a law license, then letting it lapse for any reason. )


This should have been a story, even if just a blurb.



David
You selected City: chicago, State: IL as well as Last Name: obama. For some reason that makes a difference...

The story was already around in October http://kathymendla.blogspot.com/2008/10 ... cense.html so it stopped being news a while back.
Ars artis est celare artem.

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Post by ravingdave »

alexjrgreen wrote:
You selected City: chicago, State: IL as well as Last Name: obama. For some reason that makes a difference....
What should I have selected ?

alexjrgreen wrote:
The story was already around in October http://kathymendla.blogspot.com/2008/10 ... cense.html so it stopped being news a while back.

I followed the link. I didn't see an explanation, other than the opinion of an anonymous poster in the "comments" section.

Of course, i'd rather hear about how much Sarah Palin spends on clothes, and whether or not her husband had a DUI back in 1984, and what about that daughter of hers ? All of this is more important than whether or not the President and his wife surrendered their law licenses ! .


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Post by alexjrgreen »

ravingdave wrote:
alexjrgreen wrote:
You selected City: chicago, State: IL as well as Last Name: obama. For some reason that makes a difference....
What should I have selected ?
Just select Last Name: obama
ravingdave wrote:
alexjrgreen wrote:The story was already around in October http://kathymendla.blogspot.com/2008/10 ... cense.html so it stopped being news a while back.
I followed the link. I didn't see an explanation, other than the opinion of an anonymous poster in the "comments" section.
Although the poster was anonymous, they seem to have covered the facts well enough for the press to move on.

Publishing a false statement adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct her business or trade would be "defamation per se". Once the facts are in the public domain, such a statement would be published either (i) in the knowledge that the information was false or (ii), since the facts could be easily ascertained, with reckless disregard for whether it was false or not...
Ars artis est celare artem.

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Post by ravingdave »

alexjrgreen wrote:
ravingdave wrote:
alexjrgreen wrote:
You selected City: chicago, State: IL as well as Last Name: obama. For some reason that makes a difference....
What should I have selected ?
Just select Last Name: obama
ravingdave wrote:
alexjrgreen wrote:The story was already around in October http://kathymendla.blogspot.com/2008/10 ... cense.html so it stopped being news a while back.
I followed the link. I didn't see an explanation, other than the opinion of an anonymous poster in the "comments" section.
Although the poster was anonymous, they seem to have covered the facts well enough for the press to move on.

Publishing a false statement adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct her business or trade would be "defamation per se". Once the facts are in the public domain, such a statement would be published either (i) in the knowledge that the information was false or (ii), since the facts could be easily ascertained, with reckless disregard for whether it was false or not...
Some of the statements from people who "Claimed" to be a lawyer asserted that this was an example of a License being suspended "for cause" and in such a way as to cover up for lawyerly wrongdoing.

What am I to make of an "Expert" telling me one thing, and an "Anonymous Commenter" telling me another ?

I suppose we could just ask Obama what the truth is. That worked on Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon didn't it ?

Besides, We haven't heard enough about the Magazines that Sarah Palin reads, and what about her daughters friends ?


:)



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Post by alexjrgreen »

ravingdave wrote:Some of the statements from people who "Claimed" to be a lawyer asserted that this was an example of a License being suspended "for cause" and in such a way as to cover up for lawyerly wrongdoing.

What am I to make of an "Expert" telling me one thing, and an "Anonymous Commenter" telling me another ?

I suppose we could just ask Obama what the truth is. That worked on Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon didn't it ?
Any Illinois lawyer could have confirmed the facts.

Details vary from state to state - the out of state people seemed to be commenting about the system in their own state.

In an internet world you want bloggers to be able to pick up a story and run with it, but that means the mainstream media are desperately running to keep up. When something stops being "news" they drop it like a hot brick.

Perhaps we need an FAQ for the ex-news stories that have been put to bed already?
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