Ron Paul Supporters not welcome in Louisiana GOP

[GIThruster]

Scott, our misunderstanding aside, if Simon wanted to work, there are many ways to improve his life over living on the dole. Given he's living like this for more than a decade, and had the ability to move around as he says, there's little possibility he cannot improve his life by working.

Instead, Simon spends his time getting high and posting constantly at Talk-Polywell.

If Simon ever finds he wants to earn a living instead of living off the backs of those who do, I'm sure such a bright guy can find a job he can handle. If not this year, then the next, or the next, or the next. . .sooner or later, people who want to work will find work. Since Simon has not found work for more than a decade, seems obvious to me he doesn't want to work.

That's what drugs do to people, especially cannabis--they don't want to work.

[pbelter]

This is my favorite poppy seed cake. There is some dough, but it is primarily poppy seeds. Delicious!! I remember that during the height of the drug war back in Poland there were shortages of the national treat.





I hope I will not have to abstain

[Skipjack]

I am inclined to think that is a myth.

It is not! I already told GIThruster to read it up, I suggest you do same!
Also the mythbusters confirmed it as well. They tested positive for days after consuming products with poppy seeds.

Employees can complain if they like, about how their lives are terribly diminished for not being able to eat poppy seeds, but they do know it's their responsibility to avoid them if they want to be employed, just as they know they need to wear a suit, tie and matching socks.

Yeah and the big corporations will just dictate what the small people have to do if they dont want their lives to be miserable. It is good that there are taxes for the very rich. We should raise them just for the amount of BS they make the little people go through.

[palladin9479]

Beware what you wish for. They just might, but being who they are they will make sure by the time they are done there are no freedoms left, or at least none that count. Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany... unless you were a Jew. Then it was legal.

There are several freedoms they haven't encroached upon yet. The first that comes to my mind is freedom of travel. It is easy to target because it is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. It is also a pre-requisite to a somewhat working socialist state. The reason Cubans come to US on rafts is not because boat or plane tickets are too expensive but because it is illegal to leave the country, otherwise the whole system would crash as everybody leaves.

Be very careful there, most of what you wrote was GoP agenda. Patriot Act / TSA / Anti-Abortion / ect. Not saying liberals are any better, they just different reasons. President Obama goes along with it due to him being a moderate, go figure.

[MSimon]

Scott, our misunderstanding aside, if Simon wanted to work, there are many ways to improve his life over living on the dole. Given he's living like this for more than a decade, and had the ability to move around as he says, there's little possibility he cannot improve his life by working.

Instead, Simon spends his time getting high and posting constantly at Talk-Polywell.

If Simon ever finds he wants to earn a living instead of living off the backs of those who do, I'm sure such a bright guy can find a job he can handle. If not this year, then the next, or the next, or the next. . .sooner or later, people who want to work will find work. Since Simon has not found work for more than a decade, seems obvious to me he doesn't want to work.

That's what drugs do to people, especially cannabis--they don't want to work.

Dr. Bussard thanked me personally for helping get Polywell refunded. I haven't been wasting my time. I'm just not making any money at it.

It would have been better for me personally to be working. But I took my situation as a sign that I should be doing something else. I was right.

And be patient. I have some things in the works.

As you may have noticed I was having a bad night. But there are others having bad decades because of prohibition. I'm going to end it. With the help of 100 million others (50% of the voters now favor legalization and the numbers are still rising - there is a ways to go - 67% say prohibition is not working).

SWAT raids are turning the Right against the police:

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/06/read-the-comments/

BTW alcohol prohibition also turned the people against the police. Something I started talking about 10 years ago. Back then I was a lunatic. Now I'm mainstream. What happened? Did I come to my senses or have the American people?

Let me add that the War On Youth (Prohibition) is the best durn recruiting tool the libertarians have. Turning kids into suspects was the best idea conservatives ever had. For my brand of politics. Thank you to all my conservative friends. You help has been invaluable. And like the Pied Piper I am stealing your children. Going to be interesting to see how that turns out isn't it?

The nation survived and prospered for 130 years with all drugs legal. I think America can manage.

[palladin9479]

Here Simon, a map of excessive paramilitary action.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

[MSimon]

Here Simon, a map of excessive paramilitary action.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

I saw that earlier today in the comments on one of the anti-cop posts. Did you post that?

[palladin9479]

Nope got it from the same place.

Here's one for ya

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/13/rhode-island-decriminalizes-possession-of-small-amounts-of-marijuana/

[MSimon]

Nope got it from the same place.

Here's one for ya

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/13/rhode-island-decriminalizes-possession-of-small-amounts-of-marijuana/

I'm on a list that keeps up with that stuff. I have been a member since the early 80s (FIDO Net days). It is a list for activists (mostly) although of the hundred or so members only 10 are really active (the usual ratio).

The list averages 5 to 10 e-mails a day. Mostly people on the left with a smattering of libertarians.

You can join up here:

http://www.dpft.org/contactdpft.htm

There are also other State Drug Policy Forums Google "Drug Policy Forum". I can't tell you how good they are. No experience.

[pbelter]

Beware what you wish for. They just might, but being who they are they will make sure by the time they are done there are no freedoms left, or at least none that count. Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany... unless you were a Jew. Then it was legal.

There are several freedoms they haven't encroached upon yet. The first that comes to my mind is freedom of travel. It is easy to target because it is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. It is also a pre-requisite to a somewhat working socialist state. The reason Cubans come to US on rafts is not because boat or plane tickets are too expensive but because it is illegal to leave the country, otherwise the whole system would crash as everybody leaves.

Be very careful there, most of what you wrote was GoP agenda. Patriot Act / TSA / Anti-Abortion / ect. Not saying liberals are any better, they just different reasons. President Obama goes along with it due to him being a moderate, go figure.

Well, you made me stop and check. The travel restrictions are buried deeply within a bill proposed by Barbara Boxer, a Democrat.

Thinking about abortion as a personal freedom is pretty dangerous. It can lead to a situation where more restrictions are lifted in order to increase the freedom of course, and like in Nazi Germany, the restriction that the procedure can be applied only to unborn persons my be lifted as well. Then, as the progress towards more liberty continues, it may become a mandatory option in a state run health program, just like it was there.
So far we only got the contraceptives mandatory.
This is just an intellectual exercise (or at least I hope so), but it is not appropriate to think about it as a form of freedom. If it is, for the reasons above I don't want that freedom to expand.

Abortion is an interesting topic. The left maintains that it should be exclusively woman's choice if she decides to have an abortion. But if she decides not to, then the man is forced to pay alimony. So we have a situation where it is woman's decision if the man should be paying alimony. That in my opinion violates the 13th and 14th amendments of the US constitution which are prohibition of slavery and equal protection under law.

I hate to break it to you but the Patriot act was written by Joe Binden in response to Oklahoma city bombing. It was then called Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, but after some changes it was passed as the Patriot Act. During the debate over Patriot Act Joe Binden himself said "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill." Binden is very close to the moderate in chief or at least the moderate keeps him around as as I see them together a lot on tv.

Regarding Obama being a moderate. English is not my first language but I understand moderate as someone doing things in moderation. Correct me if I am wrong. The US national debt has increased during his presidency by more than any other president and if he gets reelected and the trend continues , it will increase more than during all 43 former presidents combined. Unemployment is not on moderate level either. The bailouts and forced healthcare are unprecedented too. Obama is anything but a moderate, he even had more fundraisers during this reelection campaign that all 4 former presidents combined.

[MSimon]

Then, as the progress towards more liberty continues, it may become a mandatory option in a state run health program, just like it was there.

In Liberty health care is not mandatory.

Besides - do you think it is wise to put the TSA in charge of the vaginas of America?

[Diogenes]

Beware what you wish for. They just might, but being who they are they will make sure by the time they are done there are no freedoms left, or at least none that count. Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany... unless you were a Jew. Then it was legal.

There are several freedoms they haven't encroached upon yet. The first that comes to my mind is freedom of travel. It is easy to target because it is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. It is also a pre-requisite to a somewhat working socialist state. The reason Cubans come to US on rafts is not because boat or plane tickets are too expensive but because it is illegal to leave the country, otherwise the whole system would crash as everybody leaves.

Be very careful there, most of what you wrote was GoP agenda. Patriot Act / TSA / Anti-Abortion / ect. Not saying liberals are any better, they just different reasons. President Obama goes along with it due to him being a moderate, go figure.

I am continuously astonished at your misconceptions. TSA was very much a Democratic move which Republicans Opposed for quite a while. Airport security used to be in private hands, but now that its an arm of the Government, and unionized, it has inherited all of the things wrong with both. Bureaucratic incompetence/efficiency coupled with an attitude of elite ruling arrogance.

Another knee slapper is the notion that Obama is any sort of moderate. This is only the belief of people who are extremely ignorant on the subject. This man is the most Fascist President we've ever endured. He is moderate on no issue, only tending to feign moderation when it is glaringly obvious the public will brook nothing further.

[Diogenes]

Scott, our misunderstanding aside, if Simon wanted to work, there are many ways to improve his life over living on the dole. Given he's living like this for more than a decade, and had the ability to move around as he says, there's little possibility he cannot improve his life by working.

Instead, Simon spends his time getting high and posting constantly at Talk-Polywell.

If Simon ever finds he wants to earn a living instead of living off the backs of those who do, I'm sure such a bright guy can find a job he can handle. If not this year, then the next, or the next, or the next. . .sooner or later, people who want to work will find work. Since Simon has not found work for more than a decade, seems obvious to me he doesn't want to work.

That's what drugs do to people, especially cannabis--they don't want to work.

Dr. Bussard thanked me personally for helping get Polywell refunded. I haven't been wasting my time. I'm just not making any money at it.

You were invaluable in the effort to boost the Polywell design into the public consciousness to the point where the project was restarted. If this works out, the nation will owe you a debt of gratitude. (Not that they will give you any, but they will owe it none the less. )

It would have been better for me personally to be working. But I took my situation as a sign that I should be doing something else. I was right.

And be patient. I have some things in the works.

As you may have noticed I was having a bad night. But there are others having bad decades because of prohibition. I'm going to end it. With the help of 100 million others (50% of the voters now favor legalization and the numbers are still rising - there is a ways to go - 67% say prohibition is not working).

SWAT raids are turning the Right against the police:

The right has always been wary of the Police, especially the Libertarian wing. Perhaps not as wary as the left, but the right tend to be more respecting of the laws in general.

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/06/read-the-comments/

BTW alcohol prohibition also turned the people against the police. Something I started talking about 10 years ago. Back then I was a lunatic. Now I'm mainstream. What happened? Did I come to my senses or have the American people?

An alternative explanation is that the American people have become more lunatic. Evidence tends to indicate this is the more likely explanation.

Let me add that the War On Youth (Prohibition) is the best durn recruiting tool the libertarians have. Turning kids into suspects was the best idea conservatives ever had. For my brand of politics. Thank you to all my conservative friends. You help has been invaluable. And like the Pied Piper I am stealing your children. Going to be interesting to see how that turns out isn't it?

It always perplexes me how you always have the situation reversed. It was Johnson's War on Poverty that made married women and fathers unnecessary. The creation of so many unwanted children consequently resulted in their turning to drugs and crime.
Prohibition of drugs didn't create these people, government indulgence and funding of unwed mothers created them.

The nation survived and prospered for 130 years with all drugs legal. I think America can manage.

Little used, and little available. About the time it started getting widespread notice, it was banned.

[Diogenes]

Beware what you wish for. They just might, but being who they are they will make sure by the time they are done there are no freedoms left, or at least none that count. Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany... unless you were a Jew. Then it was legal.

There are several freedoms they haven't encroached upon yet. The first that comes to my mind is freedom of travel. It is easy to target because it is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. It is also a pre-requisite to a somewhat working socialist state. The reason Cubans come to US on rafts is not because boat or plane tickets are too expensive but because it is illegal to leave the country, otherwise the whole system would crash as everybody leaves.

Be very careful there, most of what you wrote was GoP agenda. Patriot Act / TSA / Anti-Abortion / ect. Not saying liberals are any better, they just different reasons. President Obama goes along with it due to him being a moderate, go figure.

Well, you made me stop and check. The travel restrictions are buried deeply within a bill proposed by Barbara Boxer, a Democrat.

Thinking about abortion as a personal freedom is pretty dangerous. It can lead to a situation where more restrictions are lifted in order to increase the freedom of course, and like in Nazi Germany, the restriction that the procedure can be applied only to unborn persons my be lifted as well. Then, as the progress towards more liberty continues, it may become a mandatory option in a state run health program, just like it was there.
So far we only got the contraceptives mandatory.
This is just an intellectual exercise (or at least I hope so), but it is not appropriate to think about it as a form of freedom. If it is, for the reasons above I don't want that freedom to expand.

Abortion is an interesting topic. The left maintains that it should be exclusively woman's choice if she decides to have an abortion. But if she decides not to, then the man is forced to pay alimony. So we have a situation where it is woman's decision if the man should be paying alimony. That in my opinion violates the 13th and 14th amendments of the US constitution which are prohibition of slavery and equal protection under law.

I hate to break it to you but the Patriot act was written by Joe Binden in response to Oklahoma city bombing. It was then called Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, but after some changes it was passed as the Patriot Act. During the debate over Patriot Act Joe Binden himself said "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill." Binden is very close to the moderate in chief or at least the moderate keeps him around as as I see them together a lot on tv.

Regarding Obama being a moderate. English is not my first language but I understand moderate as someone doing things in moderation. Correct me if I am wrong. The US national debt has increased during his presidency by more than any other president and if he gets reelected and the trend continues , it will increase more than during all 43 former presidents combined. Unemployment is not on moderate level either. The bailouts and forced healthcare are unprecedented too. Obama is anything but a moderate, he even had more fundraisers during this reelection campaign that all 4 former presidents combined.

Ah, the Poles! Love em! You have certainly given a better analysis than you would find coming from an Austrian. People who have lived under full blown socialism are so much better at understanding what is wrong with it than we foolish Americans. (Many of us anyway.)

Abortion goes right to the heart of human rights. It is an attack against the very first and most fundamental human right, the right to live once created. In this nation the laws were not changed because the people wanted it. The change was shoved down our throats by the arrogant and intellectually dishonest Supreme Court. (Bunged up badly by all the appointments from mostly Democrat Presidents)

The American Public was VERY MUCH against it when it was legalized, and despite all the efforts of the Media People to change public opinion, opposition to abortion is slowly increasing. I just saw this bit of news today. ( I predicted this would happen.) My side is eventually going to win.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/my ... etting-go/

[palladin9479]

Beware what you wish for. They just might, but being who they are they will make sure by the time they are done there are no freedoms left, or at least none that count. Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany... unless you were a Jew. Then it was legal.

There are several freedoms they haven't encroached upon yet. The first that comes to my mind is freedom of travel. It is easy to target because it is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. It is also a pre-requisite to a somewhat working socialist state. The reason Cubans come to US on rafts is not because boat or plane tickets are too expensive but because it is illegal to leave the country, otherwise the whole system would crash as everybody leaves.

Be very careful there, most of what you wrote was GoP agenda. Patriot Act / TSA / Anti-Abortion / ect. Not saying liberals are any better, they just different reasons. President Obama goes along with it due to him being a moderate, go figure.

Well, you made me stop and check. The travel restrictions are buried deeply within a bill proposed by Barbara Boxer, a Democrat.

Thinking about abortion as a personal freedom is pretty dangerous. It can lead to a situation where more restrictions are lifted in order to increase the freedom of course, and like in Nazi Germany, the restriction that the procedure can be applied only to unborn persons my be lifted as well. Then, as the progress towards more liberty continues, it may become a mandatory option in a state run health program, just like it was there.
So far we only got the contraceptives mandatory.
This is just an intellectual exercise (or at least I hope so), but it is not appropriate to think about it as a form of freedom. If it is, for the reasons above I don't want that freedom to expand.

Abortion is an interesting topic. The left maintains that it should be exclusively woman's choice if she decides to have an abortion. But if she decides not to, then the man is forced to pay alimony. So we have a situation where it is woman's decision if the man should be paying alimony. That in my opinion violates the 13th and 14th amendments of the US constitution which are prohibition of slavery and equal protection under law.

I hate to break it to you but the Patriot act was written by Joe Binden in response to Oklahoma city bombing. It was then called Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, but after some changes it was passed as the Patriot Act. During the debate over Patriot Act Joe Binden himself said "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill." Binden is very close to the moderate in chief or at least the moderate keeps him around as as I see them together a lot on tv.

Regarding Obama being a moderate. English is not my first language but I understand moderate as someone doing things in moderation. Correct me if I am wrong. The US national debt has increased during his presidency by more than any other president and if he gets reelected and the trend continues , it will increase more than during all 43 former presidents combined. Unemployment is not on moderate level either. The bailouts and forced healthcare are unprecedented too. Obama is anything but a moderate, he even had more fundraisers during this reelection campaign that all 4 former presidents combined.

Spoken like a true blood conservative.

And the debt comment just proves it, it was Bush not Obama that raised that debt that high. The money for both war's during Bush was kept off the books, it was funded via emergency supplemental funding laws. When Obama took presidency he forced those expenditures to go on the books. Wars + TARP are both Bush era expenditures that are being counted against Obama. Of course truth is something best avoided by extremists on both political sides.

A moderate is someone who is in the middle and willing to compromise. The current GoP refuse's to compromise on anything, they want it their way or nothing at all. Over the past four years Obama has forced, with what little political authority he has, the Democrat party to compromise and every time the Republicans stamp their feet and refuse to budge. Their (GoP) using a time old tactic of denying the Democrats and by extension Obama and chance at anything that remotely resembles a political victory. The current Republican party would rather the nation burn to the ground then compromise on their theology.

As for the debt, Reagan is the one who started deficit spending as standard monetary policy. He deeply cut tax's to the higher income brackets, reduced deductions from the middle class, lowered corporate tax rates and further lowered investment gains tax. These are fine as a short term fix, but left alone for long periods of time they culminated in this massive deficit we have now, mostly brought on by two protracted unfunded wars and both bail outs. As a result of this policies we have Billionaire CEO's paying less tax then a working middle class family. Cutting tax's is the same as raising government spending, at least the spending helps the majority of the citizens.

And only someone doing serious mental gymnastics could think legal abortions would result in less civic rights or an authoritarian state.

And it's funny how you just lied through your teeth about the Patriot Act, mentioning only one of the four senators who brought it. Two are R, two are D. Went through several modifications granting it further and further powers. Jim Sensenbrenner was who introduced the bill, it's primary writer was Assistant Attorney General of the United States Viet Dinh, a Republican. The act was created in a hysteria of nationalism where it was "with us or against us" mentality going around, being seen as not supporting it would have your enemies paint you as un-american. The act originally had an expiration of 4 years and was reauthorized during Bush's 2nd term. During Obama's first time it again came up with Dem's wanting it to expire and Rep's wanting to to be extended. Eventually it passed and Obama signed it against the wish's of his own party.

And while I can't stand liberals neither will I stand a group who vilifies me and refuse's to listen to anything that doesn't agree with their ideology.

Budget Deficit 1971 to 2001



-=Edit=-

Lets get a little deeper shall we.

FY2011 Tax Receipts


FY2011 Budget Outlays


Defense Spending


See all that red before 2009? That wasn't being tracked nor budgeted, wasn't being counted as a deficit yet. In 2009 Obama, against advice from his own party, decided to put that on the books as red ink. The results being a gargantuan increase in the deficit, an increase that already existed but that people were not aware of. His enemies then used it as a weapon of misinformation on people too stupid to look it up. TARP was a law passed during Bush's final year in presidency, it's an expense that was tacked onto FY2009's budget yet Obama didn't sign. Something else that is used against him.

And the worst of it.

The U.S. last balanced its budget in 2001. Between 2001 and 2010, spending increased by 5.6% GDP (from 18.2% GDP in 2001 to 23.8% GDP in 2010), while revenues declined by 4.6% GDP (from 19.5% GDP in 2001 to 14.9% GDP in 2010), resulting in a 9.4% GDP deficit. Medicare/Medicaid spending increased by 1.9% GDP and defense spending increased by 1.7% GDP. Individual income tax revenues fell by 3.5% GDP and payroll taxes fell by 0.8% GDP.[60][61]

Economist Paul Krugman summarized these causes in May 2011: "What happened to the budget surplus the federal government had in 2000? The answer is, three main things. First, there were the Bush tax cuts, which added roughly $2 trillion to the national debt over the last decade. Second, there were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which added an additional $1.1 trillion or so. And third was the Great Recession, which led both to a collapse in revenue and to a sharp rise in spending on unemployment insurance and other safety-net programs."[

And for those of you swearing up and down "no new taxes", here is one for you.
2010 Receipts & Expenditures Estimates.PNG


You can't slash spending out of that mess. We need to cut spending and raise taxes, and right now the only group that you can raise taxes on is the same group that's been dodging them this whole time. Otherwise you can't wring blood from a stone.

For too long we've been writing checks for the future, since Reagan's time. Well people that times just about come. Right ~now~ we're spending money promised years ago, that's how budgeting works. Obama could shut the government down, cut all programs and we'd still fall far short. And guys regardless who's President that deficit is going to continue to grow for the next 10 years. Even if we add no new expenditures, paying on all the old ones, all those checks we wrote over the last few decades, is going to take a good long time.

So all you yahoo's, where would you cut. Would you do the knee jerk Republican answer and cut medicare / medicaid / social-security (which is actually paying for itself, for now at least). That would be the equivalent of throwing grandma into the streets to die, except you'd be doing it to thousands of grandmas across the nation, without having the guts to actually look into their eyes. Would you cut the military then? A traditional Republican favorite for expansion, which is currently undergoing a draw down and it's own budget cutting. Besides those everything else is small change, cuts of 25% here and there won't make much of a difference in the overall budget.

One of the primary drivers behind these explosive costs is healthcare, a favorite of the republican party since long before Bush or Clinton was elected. Privatized healthcare, where the demand is your life and the supply is 100% controlled by them. Gotta love market forces when demand is infinite and thus reasonable cost of supply is also infinite.