Texas: Doomed

[Diogenes]

Diogenes, you just made the claim that although you do not yourself live in texas, you still have a say because what happens in texas will affect you.

The boundaries in this war are not the geographical lines on the map. I share kinship with the people of Texas and this region. Apart from that I am defending the actions of Texas against lies being spread by my political enemies. I share nationality with this country, and again, you think it is appropriate to call me down but not the Austrian?

You cannot now claim that Skipjack has no say for the same reason. If what happens in texas affects the entire US, and if what happens in the US affects the world, then Skipjack is affected by your same logic.

While "Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto" is a laudable philosophy, in practice, people are affected in direct proportion to their distance from the event. You are arguing that He and I will be affected equally. This is nonsense and you know it.

I don't think anyone is advocating false history. If there are errors I would agree things would need to be corrected.

Did you READ the articles? Do you know what the word Revisionist means?

But that is not the agenda. The agenda is an attempt to change how everything is viewed. Changing words here and there to support a single ideological viewpoint.

You mean they want the textbooks put back to normal. Before they were manipulated by liberal ideologues employed by the bureaucracy.

They want to take out the "liberal interpretation", not the "liberal version". But just what is the liberal interpretation? Apparently, talking about Thomas Jefferson is too liberal. The word democratic is too liberal.

Jefferson must be taught. But yeah, Democratic IS too liberal. If you know anything about the founding era, then you must be aware that the founders DETESTED democracy. The regarded it as the opposite of Monarchy, but just as evil, which is about as clear and accurate as it is possible to be. The nation was founded as a REPUBLIC. Considering how crucially important the distinction is, and how ignorant people are concerning it nowadays, It seems to me that it most definitely needs to be emphasized constantly.

The word capitalism is too liberal. The lack of the word god is too liberal. The the idea of the United Nations is too liberal. What is the liberal propaganda here?

The lack of references to God in history IS too liberal. By today's standards, American History is RIFE with religious nuts. It was a MAJOR component in understanding why people did what they did. Yes, the United Nations IS too liberal. It was initiated by a Liberal Idiot (Woodrow Wilson) and it has been promoting a leftist anti-capitalistic, anti-American agenda ever since. After a long history of nothing but colossal failures, it is liberal propaganda to even suggest that the organization should have the slightest bit of credibility.

There IS a lot of revisionism ( and down right refusal to cover pieces of history liberals don't like) in existing text books. (everyone should know about the body piles that socialist governments always cause.)

Liberals are the first to point out the rise of body piles. You know, humanitarianism and everything.

They are pointing out motes in other people's eyes, while ignoring the beams in their own.

The French Revolution was the first prominent example of a socialist movement taking over a country. It was referred to as the "Terror" for good reason. Something like 3 million dead.

The Russian Revolution, 9 million, Stalinist Russia 20 million.

The National Socialists, 30+ million.

The Chinese Revolution. 50+ million.


Yeah, Human rights watch, and amnesty international is always making noise about 10s and 100s and 1,000s, but constantly overlooking where the socialists body piles are counted in MILLIONS.

Socialism\Communism is the most blood soaked ideology on the planet. THAT is what needs to be taught!

[Diogenes]

So? Not every liberal is a socialist, not every socialist is a communist, and not every communist is a murderer like Stalin. Where is the connection?

This is like the old joke about the fellow telling his girlfriend "I just want to put it in a little way."

Here is a post I discovered today that is relative to your thought.

Dan Margolis, chair of the New York State Communist Party USA and 2004 coordinator for the Democratic Party, recently wrote about the Communist Party’s influence in democratic politics.
KeyWiki Blog reported:

When there were setbacks in the fight for health care, there was demoralization and frustration. Our Bronx club, which was instrumental in building an Organizing for America-based local organization, helped fight this feeling and, in the process, gained a good deal of experience. It can be said that, without the Communist Party, and solid leadership from one comrade in particular, the OFA group could have easily disbanded itself. Also, the Party was able and is able to play a leadership role in the question of what we’re fighting for, and in what context: why not some kind of National Health Service, as in the U.K., right now, or for Medicare for All?

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/20 ... disbanded/



Yeah, they're not the same thing at all.

[JLawson]

So? Not every liberal is a socialist, not every socialist is a communist, and not every communist is a murderer like Stalin. Where is the connection?

You said:

Liberals are the first to point out the rise of body piles. You know, humanitarianism and everything.

And... the irony just escapes you, doesn't it?

Millions died, yet the body piles were covered up to 'serve a greater good'. Humanitarianism be damned, the IDEAS that sparked the disaster were too 'good' to pass up for some.

[kcdodd]

They are pointing out motes in other people's eyes, while ignoring the beams in their own.

The French Revolution was the first prominent example of a socialist movement taking over a country. It was referred to as the "Terror" for good reason. Something like 3 million dead.

The Russian Revolution, 9 million, Stalinist Russia 20 million.

The National Socialists, 30+ million.

The Chinese Revolution. 50+ million.

Oh, a number game!

Colonization of America: 100,000,000
African Slavery in America: 15,000,000

[kcdodd]

While "Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto" is a laudable philosophy, in practice, people are affected in direct proportion to their distance from the event. You are arguing that He and I will be affected equally. This is nonsense and you know it.

Well, you probably mean inversely proportional. He lives in the US. His wife is a US citizen. You are speaking nonsense by your own logic.

You mean they want the textbooks put back to normal. Before they were manipulated by liberal ideologues employed by the bureaucracy.

So says you.

The lack of references to God in history IS too liberal. By today's standards, American History is RIFE with religious nuts. It was a MAJOR component in understanding why people did what they did. Yes, the United Nations IS too liberal. It was initiated by a Liberal Idiot (Woodrow Wilson) and it has been promoting a leftist anti-capitalistic, anti-American agenda ever since. After a long history of nothing but colossal failures, it is liberal propaganda to even suggest that the organization should have the slightest bit of credibility.

It was thomas jefferson who coined separation of church and state. I suppose that is why they don't want to mention him.

Interesting since the UN was founded after WWII and Woodrow Wilson died in 1924. You probably mean the idiot FDR. Yeah, screw international diplomacy.

[choff]

I just turned off the boob tube after seeing a report about the Texas school book controversy. The only revision that really raised my eyebrows was that the slave trade would be renamed "The Trilateral Trade" or some such title, sounds like they're getting PC with it.
The revisions aren't necessarily worrisome unless the same people yet again revise the books 5 to 10 years from now, in a manner that slowly steadily stretches the truth further from the reality.

[Diogenes]

Now you have attached yourself to, and disseminated enemy propaganda, which I and others are fighting against, and it's not even your d*mned country! You are taking sides in what is otherwise a political civil war, and you not only don't have any business getting involved, you don't even know what you're talking about. (You are just parroting the liberal screaming fit.)

There are a few reasons why I am interested. First, my wife is a US citizen, but you know that.
Second, Texas was among the places that we once considered a desireable spot to live in. The climate is nice and the cost of living is rather low. Further, we have quite a few friends that live there and that are equally upset about the situation.
Fourth what is happening in the US is affecting the rest of world both economically and politically. A bunch of undereducated hicks with nuclear bombs dont make this world a safer place.

No, we need super genius academic types like Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy and Robert McNamara. As someone recently said about former Hawaiian congressman Neil Abercrombie, a half coconut shell would have been an improvement.

You might not have enough understanding of American history to get my references, but these "educated" types were morons, the fiascoes of which we are still feeling today.

Which leads me to fifth, the tendency of the US to get involved with matters elsewhere in the world, where the US is

taking sides

and

you not only don't have any business getting involved.

So I think it is quite fair that I return the favor.

The "Tu Quoque" argument is considered to be a fallacy. Even at that, your argument suffers from the fallacy of false equivalency. It ought to be self evident. Since it apparently isn't, I won't bother trying to explain why.

Oh and let me finally add that I find your lack of containance very entertaining.

You're a big boy. You can take it.

I have never in my 15 years of online forum activity been asked to have intercourse with myself. It speaks for your lack of education (I heard schools in Ok are pretty bad) and manners.

Yes, they are pretty bad. They are run by Liberal Union Government bureaucrats, so it is no surprise that they are bad. Hopefully we can get some welcome changes like those being instituted by the Texas School board.

[Diogenes]

They are pointing out motes in other people's eyes, while ignoring the beams in their own.

The French Revolution was the first prominent example of a socialist movement taking over a country. It was referred to as the "Terror" for good reason. Something like 3 million dead.

The Russian Revolution, 9 million, Stalinist Russia 20 million.

The National Socialists, 30+ million.

The Chinese Revolution. 50+ million.

Oh, a number game!

Colonization of America: 100,000,000
African Slavery in America: 15,000,000

Do you even know HOW to play this game?

First of all, you are comparing an ideology to a conquest. Second of all, I believe your numbers are complete bullshit. Thirdly, what numbers you do have are not cases of people killing their OWN people, but of people killing and enslaving other peoples. Human oppression of others not like themselves is ancient. Mass murder of your own countrymen and kinsmen in a time frame and on a scale never seen before is a relatively new phenomenon in history brought to us by an ideology benignly referred to as "socialism."

As relevant as your comments are to the point, you should have thrown in the "Black Death" as well.

[Diogenes]

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[Diogenes]

I just turned off the boob tube after seeing a report about the Texas school book controversy. The only revision that really raised my eyebrows was that the slave trade would be renamed "The Trilateral Trade" or some such title, sounds like they're getting PC with it.
The revisions aren't necessarily worrisome unless the same people yet again revise the books 5 to 10 years from now, in a manner that slowly steadily stretches the truth further from the reality.

This just in today:

Surprise: WaPo, NY Times Wildly Misstate "Controversial" Texas Board of Education Curriculum Changes

Liberals' ideological stranglehold on public school education is being challenged, so it's no wonder Michael Birnbaum of the Washington Post and Michael Brick of the New York Times resort to outright lies about what Texas' recent curriculum changes require.

Ann Althouse slaughters Birnbaum by comparing his fantastic claims with the actual text of the Texas Board of Education's new standards.

Here's just one example out of many she discusses: Birnbaum writes that the new standards "draw an equivalency between Jefferson Davis's and Abraham Lincoln's inaugural addresses." The actual text, as quoted by Althouse:

Students are required to "analyze the ideas contained in Jefferson Davis' inaugural address and Abraham Lincoln's ideas about liberty, equality, union, and government as contained in his first and second inaugural addresses and the Gettysburg Address." The word "equivalency" is uncalled for. The requirement is to analyze, not to be indoctrinated that the ideas are the same.

More at Ann Alhouse.

[kcdodd]

You insult my education. I think I do well enough for being raised in rural Arkansas, where a "Liberal Union Bureaucratic educational system" would be a huge improvement. I also am not a historian, but a physicist. I can contribute to an in-depth history discussion about as much as you have contributed to the purpose of this website. I wished I had the time to be as well versed in history as you claim to be. I also wish I had the time to pick apart your posts. And yes, I have read everyone one of them. But I don't, and I don't think it would do any good. So, you can have it if you want.

[Diogenes]

You insult my education. I think I do well enough for being raised in rural Arkansas, where a "Liberal Union Bureaucratic educational system" would be a huge improvement. I also am not a historian, but a physicist. I can contribute to an in-depth history discussion about as much as you have contributed to the purpose of this website. I wished I had the time to be as well versed in history as you claim to be. I also wish I had the time to pick apart your posts. And yes, I have read everyone one of them. But I don't, and I don't think it would do any good. So, you can have it if you want.

I apologize. I forget that other people are not as thick skinned as myself.

[rifleman_maynard]

To choff:

It was probably "The Triangle Trade", referring to the Africa (Slaves) to the Caribbean or Southern US (Sugar, Molasses) to Europe (Rum, etc) to Africa (Manufactured goods, weapons, ammo, etc) route.

Texians and other southerners are tired of taking ALL the blame for Slavery.

Most of the slave trade was Yankee shipping running one leg of the Triangle Trade. And Yankee banks were financing it.

[choff]

To choff:

It was probably "The Triangle Trade", referring to the Africa (Slaves) to the Caribbean or Southern US (Sugar, Molasses) to Europe (Rum, etc) to Africa (Manufactured goods, weapons, ammo, etc) route.

Texians and other southerners are tired of taking ALL the blame for Slavery.

Most of the slave trade was Yankee shipping running one leg of the Triangle Trade. And Yankee banks were financing it.

I've read of one case of slavery in North America as late as 1947. An article in the Vancouver Sun detailed the work of a retired anthropologist who lived with the Indians on the Alaska panhandle. The article showed a picture of people in a boat with captions portraying the occupants as "The Chief, his wife, the Chief's slave, and the anthropologist herself."

It does indeed sound like the media has hyped the changes in Texas school books. On the separation of Church and State, religious people should be running from politics not to it, they can't clean it up, just drag their faith through the muck. But that shouldn't be a big deal, not enough for a media splash, unless they don't have anything else to write about.

[AcesHigh]

Oh, I also want to mention that while I am well equipped, so to say, I am still anatomically incapable of peforming such act.

you dont have hands?

although if "f/ck yourself" meant masturbation, it wouldnt really be offensive.

Now, this is a trully liberal forum and a member can tell the other "fck yourself" and no action is taken towards the offending member.