Roger wrote:
I have to agree with Simon, Libertarians are for small government. Not no gov.
I know, i'm just exagerating for effect. Of course it is my opinion that Libertarian policies will RESULT in no government, at least temporarily, and then a monarchy will step in.
David
We can fix that problem with 100,000 more laws. Or maybe 1,000,000.
That way no matter what you do you will be guilty.
So the real question David is: do we have the right number of laws, too man, or too few?
Then it gets down to details - which ones?
Libertarians start with the proposition: too many.
If too few laws lead to no government then obviously we were in very great danger in 1800. However, in the intervening 208 years the deficiency was made up before any one noticed. Thank the Maker.
It has long been my opinion that we probably haven't needed very many (if any) new laws SINCE 1800. Of course I don't equate the size of Government to the quantity of laws. There is a relationship between the two, but one doesn't necessarily prove the other.
In any case, the QUANTITY of laws is a problem, but not nearly so much as is the QUALITY of the laws. Very stupid laws can have consequences all out of proportion to their intent. For example, the CRA . The idiot government trying to defy the laws of nature, with predictable results.
Reminds me of that story I read about some legislature somewhere decreeing that Pi would be equal to "3."
L.A.TIMES wrote: Obama’s Treasury secretary owed $26G’s in taxes, but it’s O.K. I don’t think this is that big a deal, but I can’t help but feel that if he were a Republican nominee it would be treated as a bigger one . . . .
Jim Treacher wrote:
A plumber owed $1,000 in taxes that he didn’t even know about… …and it was headline news!
ravingdave wrote:Another example of media bias and hypocrisy.
A couple of quotes....
L.A.TIMES wrote: Obama’s Treasury secretary owed $26G’s in taxes, but it’s O.K. I don’t think this is that big a deal, but I can’t help but feel that if he were a Republican nominee it would be treated as a bigger one . . . .
Jim Treacher wrote:
A plumber owed $1,000 in taxes that he didn’t even know about… …and it was headline news!
All you need to do to prove bias is to google news hits for Ron Paul, despite the fundraising records he set, and despite coming in second in an early primary, the MSM tried to blacklist him as much as they could get away with. Even though he polled higher than say, Giuliani, and won every internet poll that included him, it was impossible to get him coverage proportionate to his lead over candidates like Giuliani.
If he ran as a Libertarian he would be completely blacklisted, much as Michael Badnarik couldn't even get news coverage when he was arrested trying to serve a federal complaint upon the organizers of the presidential debates, in 2004.
MSimon wrote:I liked the ideas Ron Paul stood for. The man - not so much. And I voted for him in '88. Well his ideas anyway.
The scandal of him not knowing what was being published in his newsletter was a bit much for me this time.
So that left me with Fred. Who only recently started campaigning.
Well you got taken, cause investigation turned out the whole newsletter 'scandal' was a fabricated smear job. The white supremacists have been trying to smear the libertarian movement with their presence for a long time, heck theres even a "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party" site out there run by the Nazi party. Given the number of Southern Povery Law Center informants in the Nazi Party number over 30% of the total membership, according to FBI testimony before congress (SPLC operates under contract to the FBI in infiltrating groups like them), it is clear that the website is part and parcel of Democratic dirty tricks to smear all 3rd parties with the same brush.
IMHO Fred talks the talk, thats all, and this time he was terribly unprepared, made me think he was coming down with alzheimers.
MSimon wrote:I liked the ideas Ron Paul stood for. The man - not so much. And I voted for him in '88. Well his ideas anyway.
The scandal of him not knowing what was being published in his newsletter was a bit much for me this time.
So that left me with Fred. Who only recently started campaigning.
Well you got taken, cause investigation turned out the whole newsletter 'scandal' was a fabricated smear job. The white supremacists have been trying to smear the libertarian movement with their presence for a long time, heck theres even a "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party" site out there run by the Nazi party. Given the number of Southern Povery Law Center informants in the Nazi Party number over 30% of the total membership, according to FBI testimony before congress (SPLC operates under contract to the FBI in infiltrating groups like them), it is clear that the website is part and parcel of Democratic dirty tricks to smear all 3rd parties with the same brush.
IMHO Fred talks the talk, thats all, and this time he was terribly unprepared, made me think he was coming down with alzheimers.
I never took the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party seriously.
BTW I haven't read a good refutation of the newsletter smears. I did hear of RP saying he didn't know what was being published in his name - which kind of sounds like the typical political weasel.
If you have a link I'd be glad to have my mind changed.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Another example of Media Bias, this time at the Washington Post.
WaPo Book World Editor Marie Arana wrote:
"Too often, we wear liberalism on our sleeve and are intolerant of other lifestyles and opinions," an editor working for the Washington Post's Sunday "Book World" section charged in a contribution to a daily internal critique of the newspaper quoted by Howard Kurtz on Monday. Marie Arana disclosed that "if you work here, you must be one of us. You must be liberal, progressive, a Democrat. I've been in communal gatherings in The Post, watching election returns, and have been flabbergasted to see my colleagues cheer unabashedly for the Democrats."
Anyone know who Helen Thomas is ? She's the snarky "Journalist" that has been a memeber of the White House press corp since Kennedy.
Well guess what ? She's a bomb throwing CONSERVATIVE !
Whouda thunkit ? Everyone knows how Liberals have a lock on Journalism, but Helen Thomas is the RARE exception.
Helen Thomas wrote:
Helen Thomas: I'm a liberal, I was born a liberal, I'll be one 'til I die, what else should a reporter be when you see so much and when we have such great privilege and access to the truth?
Another example of Media (Hollywood, this time) bias.
"Rahm Emanuel’s brother, Ari Emanuel, is a Hollywood superagent"
"Representing the likes of Michael Moore and Martin Scorsese, Emanuel is among the best-connected in the business, and is known for leveraging his influence for public advocacy."
I got so tired of pointing out the obvious (that Media = LiberalDemocrat) that I stopped bothering to point out the obvious. (All news services except Fox are EXTREEMLY biased to the left.)
This latest is such an obvious example that I think even those people who want to stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and chant "I'm not Listening... I"m not Listening... " might even admit it proves the point. (There is an incestuous relationship between Media and Democrats.)
I've enjoyed the last few weeks watching the cable news idiots declare the various failures of Obama, while strangely polls show people disagreeing with them. Obviously the American public has a distinct liberal bias.
Helen Thomas wrote:
Helen Thomas: I'm a liberal, I was born a liberal, I'll be one 'til I die, what else should a reporter be when you see so much and when we have such great privilege and access to the truth?
jgarry wrote:I've enjoyed the last few weeks watching the cable news idiots declare the various failures of Obama, while strangely polls show people disagreeing with them. Obviously the American public has a distinct liberal bias.
If they knew any better, they wouldn't have elected him. The American People have become collectively a grub, Twisting right and left every time it is poked without any understanding of why it is being poked.
Helen Thomas wrote:
Helen Thomas: I'm a liberal, I was born a liberal, I'll be one 'til I die, what else should a reporter be when you see so much and when we have such great privilege and access to the truth?
In a word, Yes. Sort of. There are genetic characteristics that predispose people to all sorts of inclinations, but that is not the whole picture.
My own personal theory is that Liberalism (or leftism,progressiveism, socialism etc.) is a side effect of Prosperity.
Although I did think of the concept all by myself, I discovered later that many others had noticed something similar long before I did. One of the more famous is a guy called Alexander Tytler who lived back in the 1780s.
