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mrchito
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polywellnuclearfusion.com site

Postby mrchito » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:53 am

Hi, Bill
I would be willing to host your site for free. I will monitor traffic as necessary and my ISP is usually good about throttling back DOS attacks.


email to elrodwinlin at yahoo

your email address for the site is also getting bounced

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Re: cyber-squatters

Postby dch24 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:47 pm

Rick Kwan wrote:I'm sure a few people here have run into this already. Somebody is sitting on the domainname "polywellfusion.com". (I doubt if it's somebody here, but please correct me if I'm wrong...)

He is probably waiting to make a profit of opportunity, i.e., for someone to make an offer. However, it's going to expire on December 12, 2009, meaning he'll have to invest more money if he wants a good sale. The flip side is that if it really expires on that day, someone else may quickly come in and squat.

Suggestions?
Rick, it's called the "domain drop catch" - they make it look like it will expire so everyone interested will contact them and try to buy it. But it never does expire. The domain drops, but they (or the company they hired) are the owners of the registry. Nobody can re-buy it before they "catch" it.

Sorry.

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Re: polywellnuclearfusion.com site

Postby dch24 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:49 pm

mrchito wrote:Hi, Bill
I would be willing to host your site for free. I will monitor traffic as necessary and my ISP is usually good about throttling back DOS attacks.

email to elrodwinlin at yahoo

your email address for the site is also getting bounced
mrchito,

What service do you think makes sense for hosting it? Amazon AWS or NearlyFreeSpeech.net are my recommendations.

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Re: polywellnuclearfusion.com site

Postby mrchito » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:00 am

AWS is actually a solution that, if used correctly, can scale up to 120 processors on demand. I think that would be overkill for static pages. The minimal for running an instance to serve web 24/7 is about $70 per month, which is comparable to a lot of hosing solutions with a dedicated virtual node of the same capacity.

The on demand pricing for NearlyFreeSpeech.net looks interesting. I just don't know what the capacity is of such a service and I would worry about its viability as a host.

I would charge about a flat $5 a month for the hosting I would be willing to provide (if I were not offering to provide it free). It is a good solid server at Site5. My company also deploys solutions on Amazon EC2/AWS and I would move the site temporarily to a dedicated node on that if we anticipate a big spike from national exposure through network news or some other reason.


dch24 wrote:
mrchito wrote:Hi, Bill
I would be willing to host your site for free. I will monitor traffic as necessary and my ISP is usually good about throttling back DOS attacks.

email to elrodwinlin at yahoo

your email address for the site is also getting bounced
mrchito,

What service do you think makes sense for hosting it? Amazon AWS or NearlyFreeSpeech.net are my recommendations.

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Postby dch24 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:01 pm

Ok, I assumed you were hosting somewhere else. If you're hosting your own service, then you have a lot more control over it. (of course!)

NearlyFreeSpeech.net is quite capable of serving high traffic websites. Why do you say you "don't know" about it? Can you cite specific data or site owners?
mrchito wrote:I just don't know what the capacity is of such a service and I would worry about its viability as a host.


Here is an example of someone who moved to nearlyfreespeech when their previous provider couldn't keep up:
Host: Big Traffic, Not Big Media Responsible for Bugmenot Shutdown

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hosting polywellnuclearfusion.com and other things

Postby mrchito » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:25 pm

I think just about any host provider would work fine, short of the one he was using before. nearlyfreespeech looks really interesting and I would not take it off the table and I would be willing to help manage a site that was hosted there. But someone else would have to pay for it.

My personal advantage in offering one of my site accounts would be that I don't have to pay any extra for it and there are a lot of features we could use

It's hard to imagine who would attack Bill's site. I don't think the private energy industry (alternative or otherwise) would perceive it as enough of a threat to do that. I tend to think that it would have been people against nuclear power altogether-- people who are reactionary and think of anything that has the words "nuclear energy" in it as evil and have simply not read up on the technology.

If that is the case then it's only a matter of overcoming the baseline noise to get them to leave the site alone. In fact, they could prove to be useful advocates. Beyond that what we would have to worry about is DOS scale load from things like getting slahdotted or getting wide news exposure. That is a healthy problem.

What I would love to see arise from a publicly supported site and project would be a grassroots fund put together from small donations from all over the world to be able to get a qualified engineering firm to build one of these things-- a kindof moveon.org with nuclear fusion. The problem would be who gets the plant?

I think a good, neutral project would be to find a place that is in very bad need of clean water and then raise the funds for a polywell to be built there to power desalinators and other machines. This would underscore the polywell's portability as well as the coming water problem, which, if history is any indication, will be treated just like the financial crisis we are experiencing today. The only difference is we can't just print more water to make up for deficits... unless we had an easy way to make it from sea water.

Another option would be to build one in Iraq, whose infrastructure the US (my country) destroyed with surprising cooperation from other countries. It could be a kind of pittance from people who felt as if their governments stepped over the line. Their government would get the plant, plans and all, with no strings attached and the plans would be made public domain.


dch24 wrote:Ok, I assumed you were hosting somewhere else. If you're hosting your own service, then you have a lot more control over it. (of course!)

NearlyFreeSpeech.net is quite capable of serving high traffic websites. Why do you say you "don't know" about it? Can you cite specific data or site owners?
mrchito wrote:I just don't know what the capacity is of such a service and I would worry about its viability as a host.


Here is an example of someone who moved to nearlyfreespeech when their previous provider couldn't keep up:
Host: Big Traffic, Not Big Media Responsible for Bugmenot Shutdown

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Postby dch24 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:51 pm

I was looking for more information about "getting slashdotted"... there is this:
https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq.php#Slashdot wrote:A "major slashdotting" of a site hosted on our service will cost you (on average) less than $10, one time. The best part about that is that as soon as it's over, your costs go back to normal, but you'll save any usage-based discount resulting from the traffic burst. There's no higher-tier pricing to get permanently pushed into, and we won't cancel you for having something to say that people actually want to hear.

This happens to one of our members about once a week, so you can bet we know how to handle it. Or rather, our systems do. Our load-adaptive clustering technology is at its best when handling demand surges, and our pricing is at its best when you'd prefer not to be billed based on a 1% event the other 99% of the time.


I'll put $10 toward hosting the site at nearlyfreespeech.net. Why not just host it on your own servers? Well, that's a good option too, honestly. I know the nearlyfreespeech.net deals with DoS attacks all the time, but you probably do too. So I'm just offering $10 because I believe that will get you about 1 year of hosting at nearlyfreespeech.net.

The drawback would probably be that nearlyfreespeech.net doesn't have the features you're offering.

I like the idea of using the DoSers as advocates. Let's do it!

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Postby mrchito » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:40 pm

A lot of the convenient features I am talking about would just be things like pre-installed WordPress and other tools that we can use for mashups on the site. Also nearlyfreespeech offers mysql. So if we get that we can just install any of the numerous GPL tools out there. Not as easy as pre-installed.. but it's not bad if it doesn't have to be done every day.

I manage a site for an organization for open source/open method voting machines. Our site hosts photos of the insides of a Diebold machine we procured. When that got slashdotted it went all the way to ABC News and we got 6 million hits in one day, which was up a good bit from 12,000 per month. We were also often attacked with XSS, which nearlyfreespeech would know about as well. (the only way to avoid it is by keeping scripts and servers current)

So if Bill is willing, and you don't mind getting the nearlyfreespeech invoice, I can take his existing files, set it up on nearlyfreespeech, along with other tools and then we can go from there. Everyone who needs to be able to control any or all of the site will get the keys needed. One alternative to the static files is we can take the existing information and import it into a wikimedia installation. That way it can be grown with rev history and other works can be derived from it for various purposes (short talks, investment pitches, classroom use, cafe talks, etc) (provided he would be agreeable to that).


dch24 wrote:I was looking for more information about "getting slashdotted"... there is this:
https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq.php#Slashdot wrote:A "major slashdotting" of a site hosted on our service will cost you (on average) less than $10, one time. The best part about that is that as soon as it's over, your costs go back to normal, but you'll save any usage-based discount resulting from the traffic burst. There's no higher-tier pricing to get permanently pushed into, and we won't cancel you for having something to say that people actually want to hear.

This happens to one of our members about once a week, so you can bet we know how to handle it. Or rather, our systems do. Our load-adaptive clustering technology is at its best when handling demand surges, and our pricing is at its best when you'd prefer not to be billed based on a 1% event the other 99% of the time.


I'll put $10 toward hosting the site at nearlyfreespeech.net. Why not just host it on your own servers? Well, that's a good option too, honestly. I know the nearlyfreespeech.net deals with DoS attacks all the time, but you probably do too. So I'm just offering $10 because I believe that will get you about 1 year of hosting at nearlyfreespeech.net.

The drawback would probably be that nearlyfreespeech.net doesn't have the features you're offering.

I like the idea of using the DoSers as advocates. Let's do it!

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Postby MSimon » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:58 pm

Another option would be to build one in Iraq, whose infrastructure the US (my country) destroyed


And has already rebuilt (for the most part). Electricity production is now above the rate for the Saddam era.

And you have to add in the 10,000 people a year Saddam was murdering to the cost of the infrastructure. That is a lot of bodies to pile up to keep the lights on.

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What I would do: convert the non-profit to a for profit organization and use the power to run a plant to build more BFRs. Or put the device into a museum if the fight over the money becomes intractable.
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Postby dch24 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:46 am

mrchito wrote:A lot of the convenient features I am talking about would just be things like pre-installed WordPress and other tools that we can use for mashups on the site. Also nearlyfreespeech offers mysql. So if we get that we can just install any of the numerous GPL tools out there. Not as easy as pre-installed.. but it's not bad if it doesn't have to be done every day.
Agreed. And anyone who wants to really learn -- I mean, nearlyfreespeech is not for someone in a hurry, I know -- but if you want to learn, it's a great place to learn.

mrchito wrote:I manage a site for an organization for open source/open method voting machines. Our site hosts photos of the insides of a Diebold machine we procured. When that got slashdotted it went all the way to ABC News and we got 6 million hits in one day, which was up a good bit from 12,000 per month. We were also often attacked with XSS, which nearlyfreespeech would know about as well. (the only way to avoid it is by keeping scripts and servers current)
That's great. I appreciate the work you do / have done with the Diebold machines. I sort of lost track when it was Bev Harris and the HBO Documentary ("Hacking Democracy") but cheers for the good work on that.

mrchito wrote:So if Bill is willing, and you don't mind getting the nearlyfreespeech invoice, I can take his existing files, set it up on nearlyfreespeech, along with other tools and then we can go from there. Everyone who needs to be able to control any or all of the site will get the keys needed. One alternative to the static files is we can take the existing information and import it into a wikimedia installation. That way it can be grown with rev history and other works can be derived from it for various purposes (short talks, investment pitches, classroom use, cafe talks, etc) (provided he would be agreeable to that).
Ok, anyone who wants to work with me on this, I am dch24 on nearlyfreespeech as well. You will need to sign up for a (free) membership -- which gets you $0.02. I have a funded account there, so anyone who wants to work on this site can just join nearlyfreespeech.net for free. (I'm not tracking costs on this site yet, but I will be sure to give it at least $10 like I promised :-))

Then tell me what your username is over there, and I'll add you to the site. Then you'll have full editing abilities for that site, including ssh and sftp.

Their terms of service require that each individual register and enter some personally identifiable information. I cannot "share my password" or anything like that. I won't see your information -- only nearlyfreespeech.net will. Just FYI.

The site currently has nothing on it. http://polywell.nfshost.com

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Postby dch24 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:23 pm

Just a note to clarify (thanks, mrchito):

http://polywell.nfshost.com is not the final address. However, to start putting content into a site, you create one that's at .nfshost.com first, then you assign it to a domain name, such as http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/. At that point, the .nfshost.com address starts redirecting all traffic to the real URL.

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Postby dch24 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:47 am

Since I haven't heard anything, I'm deleting http://polywell.nfshost.com. What this means is that anyone can register http://polywell.nfshost.com now. However, there's no meaning to that specific address. You would pick (and register) your real address and then move the site over to your real address. Nobody cares what zzyzx.nfshost.com you use.

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polywellnuclearfusion operational

Postby classicpenny » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:08 pm

After an 8 month hiatus, my Polywell Nuclear Fusion website is mostly functional again. There is at least one minor bug: the links on the index page disappear when you roll over them with the mouse, but click anyway - they'll work; and once you get into the site, everything seems pretty much okay. Except it's about 8 months out of date - lots of catching-up to do....

But once again, the two polywell books (adult's and kid's) can be downloaded.

Just go to http://polywellnuclearfusion.com/

Bill Flint

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Re: polywellnuclearfusion operational

Postby BenTC » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:08 pm

classicpenny wrote:There is at least one minor bug: the links on the index page disappear when you roll over them with the mouse

I'm only a hack at this, but I thought I'd give it a shot. It appears your menu is made up of images, which cannot be found. (InternetExplorer[v7] shows that more obviously than Firefox[v3.5.3]) The images show correctly for the initial page load, but are broken during the rollover. Perhaps the rollover references the images in the wrong location. With Firefox, go View > Page Source, which shows the following pertinent lines.
<script type="text/javascript" src="Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Scripts/iWebSite.js"></script>
...
<script type="text/javascript" src="Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Home_files/Home.js"></script>
...
<img usemap="#map1" id="shapeimage_1" src="Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Home_files/shapeimage_1.png" style="border: none; height: 228px; left: -9px; position: absolute; top: -9px; width: 404px; z-index: 1; " alt="Why do you say, “Safe, Green, and Clean?”
What is a Polywell, Anyway?
Just Exactly What is Nuclear Energy?
Why Can’t We Use Alternatives Like Wind?
What’s the Big Deal about Fossil Fuels? " title="" />
</a>
...
<map name="map1" id="map1">
<area href="Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Clean_Green_Safe.html" title="Clean_Green_Safe.html" shape="rect" alt="Clean_Green_Safe.html" onmouseover="IMmouseover('shapeimage_1', '0');" onmouseout="IMmouseout('shapeimage_1', '0');" coords="9, 9, 296, 53" />
...
<img style="height: 44px; left: 0px; position: absolute; top: 0px; width: 287px; " id="shapeimage_1_link_0" alt="shapeimage_1_link_0" src="Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Home_files/shapeimage_1_link_0.png" />


The bit that causes the rollover is onmouseover="IMmouseover('shapeimage_1', '0');
The function IMmouseover() is defined in http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Cl ... WebSite.js
function IMmouseover(name,areaIndex)
{
var rolloverName=name+'_rollover_'+areaIndex;
var linkName=name+'_link_'+areaIndex;
var img=document.getElementById(linkName);
if(img)
{
detectBrowser();
if(windowsInternetExplorer&&img.originalSrc)
{
swapAlphaImageLoaderFilterSrc(img,self[rolloverName].src);
}
else
{
img.src=self[rolloverName].src;
}
}
return true;
}

function IMmouseout(name,areaIndex)
{
var linkName=name+'_link_'+areaIndex;
var img=document.getElementById(linkName);
if(img)
{
detectBrowser();
if(windowsInternetExplorer&&img.originalSrc)
{
swapAlphaImageLoaderFilterSrc(img,self[linkName].src);
}
else
{
img.src=self[linkName].src;
}
}
return true;
}


This shows the image being accessed has id=shapeimage_1_link_0. You can see by clicking http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Home_files/shapeimage_1_link_0.png that the original load from the HTML references the correct location, which is why the menu shows up in the inital page load.

However for the rollover, the images are preloaded with Javascript from
http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Cl ... es/Home.js
IMpreload('Home_files','shapeimage_1','0')

http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Cl ... WebSite.js
function IMpreload(path,name,areaIndex)
{
var rolloverName=name+'_rollover_'+areaIndex;
var rolloverPath=path+'/'+rolloverName+'.png';
self[rolloverName]=new Image();
self[rolloverName].src=rolloverPath;
var linkName=name+'_link_'+areaIndex;
var linkPath=path+'/'+linkName+'.png';
self[linkName]=new Image();
self[linkName].src=linkPath;
return true;
}


So the filename of the preloaded rollover image is shapeimage_1_rollover_0.png.
which does work work at http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Cl ... over_0.png
but perhaps this code trying to access this file at http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Ho ... over_0.png

On the web server, try manually copying both files shapeimage_1_link_0.png & shapeimage_1_rollover_0.png
from http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Cl ... Home_files
to http://www.polywellnuclearfusion.com/Home_files.
and see if that works.

Alternatively, try changing IMpreload('Home_files','shapeimage_1','0')
to IMpreload('Clean_Nuclear_Fusion/Home_files','shapeimage_1','0').

Hope that helps,
cheers, Ben

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Postby classicpenny » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:16 pm

Thank you Ben!
I moved the file as you suggested, and that seemed to do the trick.

Bill Flint


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