Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby Diogenes » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:00 am

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby Maui » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:27 am

I'm certainly not claiming that wind, solar + batteries alone will account for all our energy needs (though I think its conceivable). Its just that by the time gas plants start to be decommissioned in large numbers we'll have something non-fossil fuel based to replace them with.

BTW, as far as feasibility of not using gas for heating on Earth, don't forget about geothermal.

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby pbelter » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:09 am

happyjack27:
I tried your experiment with the CO2 warming.
I had 2 jars one with regular air, about 400 CO2 parts per billion, and another jar with roughly billion parts per billion of CO2.
I put identical thermometers in both. Overall I tried to replicate the same setup documented here:
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Why_the ... t_work.htm
and first pioneered by Al Gore and Bill Nye.
Within margin of error I could not tell the difference in the temperatures between the 2 jars.

Now could you perform the experiment I recommended where you measure temperature outdoors on midnight and then again at noon and report the results?
Any conclusions?

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby Maui » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:32 am

Hey RERT, to establish some research as to whether it really is the pro or anti-AGW crowds that are more closed minded, as an experiment, can you show us it is possible to rationalize with pbelter?

(I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion this is the continuation of an AGW debate that has been going on in another place, eh?)

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby happyjack27 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:43 am

So, counting... That's definitely another point arrogance you.

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby hanelyp » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:01 am

Members of the Climatist Cult apparently also don't understand convection, evaporation/condensation/cloud formation, or adiabatic lapse rate. IR radiation is a minor component of heat transfer through the troposphere. Cutting it to zero with oodles more "greenhouse" gases would have a relatively minor impact on total heat transfer. On top of which, when equatorial waters reach a threshold temperature warmed by the sun, cloud formation goes into overdrive, providing a convenient temperature feedback to reduce absorbed sunlight.
The daylight is uncomfortably bright for eyes so long in the dark.

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby pbelter » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:42 am

I got a pretty thick skin and don't get insulted easily :lol:
If one wants to question established dogma one ought to be somewhat resistant to ridicule.
I was hoping you would conclude that fluctuation in Sun's radiation between day and night, cause the differences in temperatures between night and day.

My next point was going to be that it is reasonable to expect that there are other less extreme fluctuations such as the 11 year cycle.
On top of that there might be other cycles.

I want to use scientific method to get a better understanding of the world.
Every scientific hypothesis has to be falsifiable or it is not scientific.

What do you think about possibility of another Maunder minimum around 2035?
Is that to be ignored because it does not fit the model of the predicted warming? It is a way more scientific hypothesis than AGW and fully falsifiable.

The temperature measurement of 2 different gas jars where one contains several orders of magnitude of CO2 more than that claimed to cause the AGW seems like a good validation setup. If the temperatures significantly increased in the CO2 jar would that validate AGW? If so then the opposite result must lead to contrary conclusions.
There may be other factors involved so the result my not be conclusive but it is a strong indication.

Now, having people like Al Gore and Bill Nye falsifying the experiment in order to "prove" AGW means that they are not honest which implies their narrative is not to be trusted. This is a simple conclusion. If someone tries to sell you something and you catch them lying and falsifying data there is no reason to give them any credibility. Do you find my conclusions wrong? I am not being ironic here, I am really asking.
After the Climate Gate why would anyone trust people who admit to falsifying the data in email exchanges between themselves.

When you say "equating that with the overwhelming evidence that is a matter of public record - I submit that not only is that false balance, but it is just plain idiotic" this is just talk and talk is cheap.
I grew up under an economic system called "Scientific Socialism"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism
where all the "scientists" based on their study of the Theory of Evolution declared that socialism was next step in the evolution of the human race. If you were an economist and disagreed you did not get any funding.

Yet at the same time few believed it and lots of people run away to the West. At the same time nobody fled to Soviet Union.
When you want to see what people really believe in see how they behave economically.

Have you seen property prices consistently dropping in coastal areas? They don't because nobody take it seriously, even people who say they do.

My point is not that the AGW hypothesis is false, which more appropriate to the General forum, but that few take it seriously unless they have a personal gain, and therefore there will be no fusion research funding coming from that corner.

My hypothesis is fully falsifiable. If there is a significant fusion research funding from the AGW crowd before fusion is just short term economic investment then I am wrong. And that is of course what I would be hoping for if the evidence did not point to the contrary.

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby happyjack27 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:51 pm

This has devolved from humorous in its idiocy to just plain word soup. The science-denial idiocy was never deserving of a response but at least it was amusing. Now it is not even that.

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Re: Bill Gates is heading a $1 billion venture fund to combat climate change

Postby kurt9 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:53 pm

The reality test of science is if it results in technological innovation. Science that does not result in technological innovation may be real or it may be bogus, but its certainly useless.


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