LENR Is Real

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:57 pm

This may be Rossiclown's all or nothing play. If he is thinking that IH was goimg to out him, then it makes sense for him to try a preemptive strike to attempt to control the story. I fear that he does not understand US jurisprudence and is playing by Italian rules. That will burn him, not that he doesn't deserve it.
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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:03 am

Hank Mills
April 7, 2016 at 8:11 PM
Dear Andrea,

When you state that IH has made successful replications, did they themselves prepare and process the fuel material to be used in the reactors — including catalyzers — according to IP provided to them, or did they simply use fuel pre-prepared by Leonardo Corporation?

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Hank Mills

Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 8:32 PM
Hank Mills:
They prepared everything, the charges, the body of the reactor EVERYTHING !!!.
I just teached to them what to do.
They never used anything pre-prepared by Leonardo Corp.
Now, let me talk to you of a very singular coincidence: Brillouin has always made only electrolytic apparatuses: go to read all their patent applications made before their agreement with IH, and you will find confirmation of what I am saying ( I know their patents by heart, because I have studied them and probably I know them better than themselves : I wrote about 100 pages of notes about their patents ). And now the singular coincidence: they make the agreement with IH in April 2015, and Voilà, they made a public demo in Capitol Hill ( Washington, DC) with a device that is the Copy-Cat of something I am familiar with. Nothing that Brillouin has ever made before the agreement with IH. What a coincidence !!!
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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Janne
April 7, 2016 at 5:24 PM
Dear Andrea,J

It baffles me as to why Industrial Heat would claim to have worked for “three years without success” to substantiate your results, while they themselves built the Lugano reactor that was found to have nuclear performance. Care to comment?

Best Regards,



Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Dear Janne:
I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act.
They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made multiple patent applications ( without my authotization ) with their chief engineer as the co-inventor ( he invented nothing ) , with detailed description of the replications , they made replications with the attendance of Woodford, after which they got 50 or 60 millions of dollars from Woodfords’ investors, they made replications with the attendance of Chinese top level officers, after which they started thanks to the E-Cat they made an R&D activity in China in a 200 millions concern, they made replications with an E-Cat completely made by them under my direction the very day in which the 1 MW plant has been delivered in Raleigh, they made replications that we have recorded. After the replication they made with the attendance of Woodford in 2013 Mr Tom Darden said publicly: ” this replication has been stellar” ( witnesses available). But this is not the place to discuss this. We have prepared 18 volumes to explain exactly and in detail the activity of our “Licensee” and his acquaintances from 2013 to now. Until they had to collect money thanks to the E-Cat, they made replications and have been happy with the E-Cat; when it turned to have to pay, they discovered that they never made replications, that the ERV that they had chosen in agreement with us was not good, that the test on the 1 MW plant, thanks to which they collected enormous amounts of money from the investors and where I put at risk my health working 16-18 hours per day was not a good test ( but for all the year of the test they NEVER said a single word of complaint, even if they had constantly their men in the plant), etc etc. But the worse has still to come out. The worse is in the 18 volumes we will present in due time, in due place. A blog is not the right place to discuss a litigation. This is only a quick answer to the press release made by IH.
Ad majora.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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Matt
April 7, 2016 at 6:16 PM
If you’ve been outright lying to us about your relationship with Industrial Heat over the last few weeks, how can we believe anything you say to us?



Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 7:09 PM
Matt:
I am sorry for that, but before the deposit of the complaint in Court, I was not allowed to talk differently from what I said. For obvious reasons.
When Readers asked to me ” how is your relationship with IH” I could answer nothing but “good”: otherwise I would have made a breach of contract.
We had the possibility to explain the situation only after the deposit of the complaint, to respect the law.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby JoeP » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:22 am

This case is going to be complicated. If Rossi can substantiate that IH obtained the 50-60 million investments on the basis of supposed replications of his so-called reactor technology, then I can see how he can easily use that angle to press that he is owed the money, since it is implicit in that IH was convinced of it being valid. Especially if he has recordings or written statements supporting any of this with witnesses. IH better have some good evidence to counter all that, and also solid proof that the "E-Cat" is a hoax. And then they better return any funds to investors if obtained on any promises about it being viable.

Whether it is scam isn't going to be as relevant as whether IH was complicit on acquiring investment funds based on supposed satisfaction with his technical demonstration.

Maybe they'll all get locked up for fraud.

Pretty dumb moves on IH's part though to even get involved. LOL.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:26 am

I think this post from "Guest" on another thread sums it up best:
"I think IH's comment reveals where this is going. As part of the License Agreement Rossi was to have transferred all IP, know how, and fuel recipe to IH after the payment of $10M.

IH is essentially saying that Rossi has not transferred the know how and that they can't replicate.

This is their grounds for not paying. They don't accuse Rossi of fraud, they don't out and out say that the thing doesn't work, just that they can't substantiate (i.e. replicate the results). One possible explanation is that the results aren't real, but the other is just that he's held something back."

Add to that this statement by Fabiani from Mats Lewan's interview:
“Rossi is the head and runs the R&D. I’m his right arm, his left arm and his legs too. We have staff, technicians who help us. Only R&D has about 12 people with me included. I’m the link between Rossi and the others for everything that regards R&D. I don’t have knowledge on the reaction because the formula is not my concern. When it is time, Rossi makes his mixtures according to his formulas, puts the charge in the cores and gives me the complete cores. A reactor is composed of a core, an excitation system, and a system for heat exchange. I look after the excitation system and the system for heat exchange, and also the physical realization of the core. But the core must be filled with the mixture of powders that Rossi from time to time recalibrates in function of the effect that he wants to achieve."

It appears that Rossi has always mixed and supplied the powders and likely never transferred that knowledge to IH. IH has likely refused to pay until he transfers that knowledge and Rossi likely has refused to transfer the knowledge until they pay. A stalemate.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:44 am

In court, only evidence is valid and that's the good thing about this legal case, a US American court will have to determine whether Industrial Heat broke the license agreement, or not. Therefore the court needs to clarify whether the E-Cat works, or not. So we will soon know who can get the E-Cat to work, and we do not need to speculate!

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:55 am

Hank Mills
April 7, 2016 at 8:57 PM
Dear Andrea,

I visited their website last night and noticed the similarity of their “Hydrogen Hot Tube” technology to the E-Cat, at least on the surface level after a casual review of the information provided. I need to review their patent applications in depth, like you suggest. Do you think Brillouin is utilizing lithium now — since that is really the key that has allowed you to produce significant excess heat from the very start of your work on the Energy Catalyzer?

To everything else, all I can say is, wow. I’m flabbergasted. For you to show them how to replicate, everything from the reactor body to the fuel itself, and for them to not pay up after achieving successful replications they showed off to investment companies and receiving an overwhelmingly positive report from the ERV: it’s almost unimaginable. Again, I don’t have access to the evidence Leonardo Corporation will eventually be sharing with the courts, so I don’t want to jump to conclusions inappropriately. Without viewing what you have seen myself, I can’t make the same judgments you can. But this is making the hair on my arms stand up! I’m glad you have meticulously documented everything. The persecution that you endured earlier in life has at least served one purpose: teaching you to prepare ahead of time for situations like this.

Hang in there and make sure you don’t let the stress negatively impact your health.

Sincerely,
Hank Mills

Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 9:09 PM
Hank Mills:
In the press release of IH they write that ” for three years they tried to replicate the Rossi effect, with no avail”: very good, but during those three years Industrial Heat collected about 60 million dollars from Woodford, more millions from other sources, exclusively based on my E-Cats technology. This before making shopping to buy other patents. Now, the cases are two: either they are lying when they say they didn’t replicate, or they made a fraud collecting 60 millions from Woodford, more from others, not to mention Cherokee fund. You had to see Tom Darden and JT Vaughn dance like ballet etoiles around the investors, showing them the E-Cats, and telling them that the E-Cats had been built by them! “Stellar” coherently Darden, in his role of etoile, repeated to the enchanted attandees, ready to spend 50 millions. Now, that my bill arrived, the E-Cat had not been replicated , they say. For three years.
Again, I am just answering to a press release of IH.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby PolyGirl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:34 am

About time someone took this Rossi (scam) Artist Clown to the cleaners. Saw this on WUWT

More information on Rossi here and here

As Ladjo says, "Rossi is full of shit"

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:11 am

PolyGirl wrote:About time someone took this Rossi (scam) Artist Clown to the cleaners. Saw this on WUWT

More information on Rossi here and here

As Ladjo says, "Rossi is full of shit"

Regards
Polygirl


No, Rossi is sueing IH: he got the whole $10 million from the escrow account,for which IH got the right to sell E-Cats and got E-Cat IP. Rossi is suing IH for the remaining $90 million. Rossi says they should pay because the 1-year test worked. They say the test did not work:

IH could be sued for fraud in that IH got lots of money from investors as a LENR reactor distributer if they understood that the E-Cat did not work and could not work..

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby PolyGirl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:49 am

I stand corrected. However, it does not matter who is suing who. The courts will find out the real truth behind this lenr, cold fusion or e-cat scam.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:32 am

Obviously someone is lying and my money is on Rossi.
Just look above in his blah blah spin where he himself contradicts himself
First: 1yr test was no good, or test was good.
Second: Rossi claims he gave them all he had, Fabiani says Rossi never gave them access to the fuel.

I think that they disagreed over the test outcome, and now Rossi is scrambling. He is out of his league here.As a known repeat liar and scammer, he has automatically an uphill battle.

I think there is a good.chance that he gets owned.

Rossi is full of shit.
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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby PolyGirl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:33 am

Actually, I stand by my original statement, "About time someone took this Rossi (scam) Artist Clown to the cleaners". In other words. Someone who has been harmed by Rossi, needs to sue Rossi

Another website that is keeping tabs on this saga.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby PolyGirl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:35 am

Oh, I also forgot, Rossi is full of Shit.

Regards
Polygirl
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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:09 pm

Axil wrote:In court, only evidence is valid and that's the good thing about this legal case, a US American court will have to determine whether Industrial Heat broke the license agreement, or not. Therefore the court needs to clarify whether the E-Cat works, or not. So we will soon know who can get the E-Cat to work, and we do not need to speculate!



Agreed.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:14 pm

JoeP wrote:This case is going to be complicated. If Rossi can substantiate that IH obtained the 50-60 million investments on the basis of supposed replications of his so-called reactor technology, then I can see how he can easily use that angle to press that he is owed the money, since it is implicit in that IH was convinced of it being valid. Especially if he has recordings or written statements supporting any of this with witnesses. IH better have some good evidence to counter all that, and also solid proof that the "E-Cat" is a hoax. And then they better return any funds to investors if obtained on any promises about it being viable.

Whether it is scam isn't going to be as relevant as whether IH was complicit on acquiring investment funds based on supposed satisfaction with his technical demonstration.

Maybe they'll all get locked up for fraud.

Pretty dumb moves on IH's part though to even get involved. LOL.


As long as IH included the "speculation clause" they are covered. Forward looking statements are never sure things, and this is what the standard clause is for. However, if IH can prove that Rossi's demos were frauds, then he is toast. The whole upside down pyramid rests on his scam. This is what happened to him in Italy. The whole thing fell on his head, and he fled the country. When he thought the heat was low enough, he returned, only to be arrested at the airport (idiot), and then put in jail to serve his convictions. I wonder where he will flee to this time? Thailand? China? Should be interesting.

I also suspect there is a good chance he could be found mysteriously face down in Government Cut, Port of Miami.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:18 pm

Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Dear Janne:
I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act.
They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made multiple patent applications ( without my authotization ) with their chief engineer as the co-inventor ( he invented nothing ) , with detailed description of the replications , they made replications with the attendance of Woodford, after which they got 50 or 60 millions of dollars from Woodfords’ investors, they made replications with the attendance of Chinese top level officers, after which they started thanks to the E-Cat they made an R&D activity in China in a 200 millions concern, they made replications with an E-Cat completely made by them under my direction the very day in which the 1 MW plant has been delivered in Raleigh, they made replications that we have recorded. After the replication they made with the attendance of Woodford in 2013 Mr Tom Darden said publicly: ” this replication has been stellar” ( witnesses available). But this is not the place to discuss this. We have prepared 18 volumes to explain exactly and in detail the activity of our “Licensee” and his acquaintances from 2013 to now. Until they had to collect money thanks to the E-Cat, they made replications and have been happy with the E-Cat; when it turned to have to pay, they discovered that they never made replications, that the ERV that they had chosen in agreement with us was not good, that the test on the 1 MW plant, thanks to which they collected enormous amounts of money from the investors and where I put at risk my health working 16-18 hours per day was not a good test ( but for all the year of the test they NEVER said a single word of complaint, even if they had constantly their men in the plant), etc etc. But the worse has still to come out. The worse is in the 18 volumes we will present in due time, in due place. A blog is not the right place to discuss a litigation. This is only a quick answer to the press release made by IH.
Ad majora.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


This is a classic wandering scramble. Rossi needs to shut his mouth (probably not possible). Personally, I hope he does not. The more he talks the deeper he digs.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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