Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

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Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby chrismb » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:10 pm

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby paperburn1 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:33 pm

So if I understand correctly, they say it is not patentable because it will not go past break even point.
so this would leave it open for anyone to "refine" this process and make their own patent application?
Like lockheed martin?
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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby chrismb » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:46 pm

The whole thing is now unpatentable because it is in the public domain.

However, if there was some key feature or enablement that was required to make it work, then that new enablement would be patentable.

But, in a sort of 'perverse reversal' of fortunes, Polywell can now only be patented if it doesn't work as stated in Bussard's patent, but it could if some key feature has been missing all along from the patent applications (or in the public domain) and has yet to be revealed to make it work. Then an application could be made for that missing feature.

If it does work as intended, then it is now unpatentable.

Also worth emphasising the decision

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The board of appeal disagreed with the patent examiner that it has no use (even if it does not hit break-even), but agreed with him that it would take too much experimentation to get it to that utility.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby DeltaV » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:10 pm

Considering the amount of utter crap that USPTO grants patents for, their rejection of Bussard's patent application means nothing.

The whole system is broken and needs to be revamped.

BTW, one of the patent judges is an ex-Navy nuke.
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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby chrismb » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:27 pm

It means nothing, insofar as the physics of it.

It means everything, insofar as no for-profit body will invest in its R&D whilst there is no protection on commercial returns-on-investment at the end of it.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby Torulf2 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:45 pm

I hope the examiner was competent.
Busard said people trained in tokamaks use to not understand the polywell.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

Postby Robthebob » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:34 am

so actually no... a lot of plasma physicists are very specialized, to the point where one person of a specialization wont just know indepth information of another specialization. Dont claim that tok guys know the fine details of beam compression, or even something that's more down their alley, like stellarators.

polywell is already not well known by the mainstream community, how the hell would they know the details of polywell? WB effect isnt well understood even within the field (sure it happens, sure the computer simulations predicts it, sure we know it's due to diamagnetic effects, but how does it really work? I think only like less than 10 people in the world really knows)

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Throwing my life away for this whole Fusion mess.

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Re: Bussard's Polywell patent application is finally dead.

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