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Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:16 pm
by MSimon

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:30 pm
by Stubby
How much has been spent on toks? And now they want a crash program that would require an ENORMOUS extra amount of cash?
How about giving Polywell 200 million right effing now, and get them off the Navy's leash?

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:40 pm
by DeltaV
Co-author Augustine is a former Lockheed CEO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_R._Augustine

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:53 pm
by MSimon
If you look at the one comment so far. :twisted:

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:29 pm
by mvanwink5
We could link to the EMC2.org site but it has been abandoned. Also, the Navy is running WB-8 like a science project, that way they can avoid the risk of spending $200 million. Why risk your career? So to give more money to the government is just to run another science project. Oh, yea, that's right, we should wait until the fall to see if a few more million is dribbled into the science project, and if it is that would mean what? Face it, all we have are bureaucrats, which if they did have guts, they would spend the money on a dead end like a fast track tokamak.

If we really think polywell is the go to fusion solution, we should make a move....

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:41 pm
by Robthebob
Yall are kinda mean huh?

emc2 is still doing fine.

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:44 pm
by djolds1
Robthebob wrote:Yall are kinda mean huh?

emc2 is still doing fine.
And totally off the grid, with its leading name having moved on. Not promising. :(

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:32 pm
by quixote
djolds1 wrote:And totally off the grid, with its leading name having moved on. Not promising. :(
Check out this thread, djolds1. It offers some hope for those who took Nebel's leaving as a bad sign.

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:36 pm
by chrismb
quixote wrote:
djolds1 wrote:And totally off the grid, with its leading name having moved on. Not promising. :(
Check out this thread, djolds1. It offers some hope for those who took Nebel's leaving as a bad sign.
Yeah! DC-DC converters. Gee. That sort of technology makes fusion energy look almost useless and not worth bothering with.

It's obvious why someone would go after that sort of technology. Beats the crap out of fusion tech, eh?

:?

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:06 am
by mvanwink5
Chris,
Maybe he thought it had a better chance of getting funding as something other than a minor science project? :roll:

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:42 am
by quixote
chrismb wrote:It's obvious why someone would go after that sort of technology. Beats the crap out of fusion tech, eh?
Certainly, if you base your decisions on likelihood of financial gain.

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:29 am
by horsewithnonick
quixote wrote:
chrismb wrote:It's obvious why someone would go after that sort of technology. Beats the crap out of fusion tech, eh?
Certainly, if you base your decisions on likelihood of financial gain.
Look at it this way - Polywell needs serious money, right? So now Nebel has bowed out of the Polywell chase to pursue something that stands a good chance of bringing in...serious money.

I kind of like the idea of a filthy rich Polywell expert, if the Polywell concept is sound. If Polywell is secretly a bust for some reason, well, more power to the man for moving on to something that works.

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:07 am
by paperburn1
quixote wrote:
chrismb wrote:It's obvious why someone would go after that sort of technology. Beats the crap out of fusion tech, eh?
Certainly, if you base your decisions on likelihood of financial gain.
AS I understand Polywell , shouldn’t this integrate well with direct power harvesting from the Polywell device?

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:56 am
by MSimon
paperburn1 wrote:
quixote wrote:
chrismb wrote:It's obvious why someone would go after that sort of technology. Beats the crap out of fusion tech, eh?
Certainly, if you base your decisions on likelihood of financial gain.
AS I understand Polywell , shouldn’t this integrate well with direct power harvesting from the Polywell device?
Bingo!

Re: Forbes - Fusion Crash Program Required

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:38 am
by mvanwink5
Bingo!
That assumes someone will stick their bureaucratic neck out and risk their comfortable career at some future point of obviousness. There are so many infighting political ways to torpedo a project, why risk it even if polywell works. Just a delay snag will make you vulnerable to get zoomed. Slow is bureaucratically safe, the slower the better. Feeding scraps to EMC2 is also a smart way to keep them on a slow multi decade science project leash. So what if it puts the project at risk by pushing small and cheap too far? (Bussard said electron injection for that small size would be an issue and, surprise, surprise, it is).