EEStor says something - but not too much

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GIThruster
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Re: EEStor says something - but not too much

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I thought AFRL at Wright Patterson and Lock-Mart both did their own evaluations back in 2011 and found nothing worth pursuing.
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GIThruster wrote:I thought AFRL at Wright Patterson and Lock-Mart both did their own evaluations back in 2011 and found nothing worth pursuing.
Source please?

I could say for a fact there was no evaluation by anyone in 2011. EEstor has been pumped by a group of investors who have stock in Zenn. They are known to spread misinformation about EEStor on the internet specifically at a site in which the administrator is a slick con blogger with a bag on his head. He is the person in the AFRL email attempting to "bait" the AFRL. His baiting and Dick Weir's slick scheme did not work with the AFRL!

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Looking at TheEEstory web site, it seems that traffic is way down and all that seems to be left are a few hard-bitten believers spewing ad homs. Steorn went pretty much the same way, IIRC.

One thing that has always bothered me about Weir is that he had his layers in, what 2008, 2009? - and years later, he's still making the odd layer. No complete EESUs, nothing.

If a real EESU did exist, it would seem that testing would be a walk in the park--charge it up, then discharge it and see how much energy can be reclaimed. Similarly for leakage, charge it up, wait a while and then discharge it.

But instead, the believers are left pondering over the importance of "layers".

Reminds me of the playlist for a lot of scams.

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a few hard-bitten believers
Some have gambled a small fortune that EEStor is more than a pump and dump scam. They seem to have a cult like belief and a large black book of ready excuses for the no show vaporware and dodged third party tests.
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Re: EEStor says something - but not too much

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EEStor just released another PR this evening. Before I post the PR, I am going to post EEStor's PR from January 2007. As I previously wrote the apologists and enablers of EEstor's fraud don't want you to look back...please note at what Dick Weir CEO states in this 2007 PR:

January 17, 2007 16:19 ET
EEStor Announces Two Key Production Milestones: Automated Production Line Proven and Third Party Verification of All Key Production Chemicals Completed
CEDAR PARK, TEXAS--(CCNMatthews - Jan. 17, 2007) - The first EEStor, Inc. automated production line has been proven to meet the requirements for precise chemical delivery, purity control, parameter control and stability.

In addition, EEStor, Inc. has completed the initial milestone of certifying purification, concentration, and stability of all of its key production chemicals notably the attainment of 99.9994% purity of its barium nitrate powder.

The independent 3rd party chemical analysis was completed by Southwest Research Institute, Inc. located in San Antonio, Texas under contract with EEStor, Inc.

With these milestones completed, EEStor, Inc. is now in the process of producing on its automated production line, composition-modified barium titanate powders and is moving toward completing its next major milestone of powder certification.

It is anticipated that the relative permittivity of the current powder will-either meet and/or exceed 18,500, the previous level achieved when EEStor, Inc. produced prototype components using it engineering level processing equipment.

Richard Weir, CEO and President of EEStor, Inc. added: "We are very proud of the key advancements we have made over the past year. In addition to the milestones identified, the Company has also been awarded a critical patent related to our technology and has 12 additional patents pending. We have built a state-of-the-art facility and have exceptional personnel onboard."

The first commercial application of the EESU is intended to be used in electric vehicles under a technology agreement with ZENN Motors Company. EEStor, Inc. remains on track to begin shipping production 15 kilowatt-hour Electrical Energy Storage Units (EESU) to ZENN Motor Company in 2007 for use in their electric vehicles. The production EESU for ZENN Motor Company will function to specification in operating environments as sever as negative 20 to plus 65 degrees Celsius, will weigh less than 100 pounds, and will have ability to be recharged in a matter of minutes.

ABOUT EEStor, Inc.

Headquartered in Cedar Park, Texas, EEStor, Inc. is dedicated to the design, development, and manufacturing of high-density energy storage devices. Utilizing revolutionary ultra capacitor architecture and environmentally friendly materials the EEStor, Inc. EESU will compete against all existing battery technologies. The EEStor, Inc. EESU IS capable of microsecond recharging and millions of 100% charge/discharge cycles. The technology is affordable and designed for versatile "racked and stacked" configurations.
CONTACT INFORMATION
EEStor, Inc.
Richard Weir
President and Chief Executive Officer
(512) 259-5144
Email: dick_weir@eestor.us"
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So in 2007 according to Dick Weir, EEStor remains on track to begin shipping production 15 kilowatt-hour Electrical Energy Storage Units (EESU) to ZENN Motor Company in 2007 for use in their electric vehicles. I can't wait to read the test results of the EESU Dick Weir gave Mr. Dave Evans to test. What is interesting is the word layer(s) was not used until recently. In the 2009 conference call, Dick Weir not once used the word layer. Also EEStor was to deliver 52kwh EESUs to Zenn to power Zenn's CityZenn model in 2008, 2009, 2010.

This is today's EEStor PR,

"PRESS RELEASE
Nov. 8, 2013, 4:59 p.m. EST

Mr. Dave Evans of the Evans Capacitor Company, East Providence, R.I. visited the EEStor facility yesterday in Cedar Park, Texas

CEDAR PARK, Texas, Nov. 8, 2013 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- EEStor, Inc. ("EEStor") is pleased to announce that Mr. Dave Evans of the Evans Capacitor Company, East Providence, R.I. visited the EEStor facility yesterday in Cedar Park, Texas. Mr. Evans was in attendance for a product / technology meeting and was also given an in-depth demonstration pursuant to the third-party verification work described in our previous press release dated October 29, 2013. Mr. Evans was given a thorough tour of the EEStor production facility with particular emphasis on the internal testing and quality assurance protocols and systems of EEStor. Mr. Richard Weir of EEStor demonstrated a full suite of testing of EEStor produced dielectric layers providing a continuous question and answer forum for Mr. Evans regarding EEStor testing procedures, equipment and methodologies. Also participating in the demonstrations and discussions were Mr. Tom Weir - Vice President, General Manager of EEStor and a representatives of ZENN Motor Company Inc.

Mr. Evans was provided with several different EEStor produced dielectric layers that demonstrate different performance characteristics and features on recently produced layers. Mr. Evans will be analyzing the EEStor produced layers at the Evans Capacitor Company facility in Rhode Island.

SOURCE EEStor, Inc.

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I also can't wait to compare the test results of the layers to the EESU US7466536 patent specs. I can guarantee the test results of the layer will be no where near the patent specs. That's were the fraud comes into this story, hehehe.

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If you are interested in this EEstor story, while we are waiting with bated breath :D for Mr. Evan's test results, this document Dick Weir submitted to USPTO is a must view. It appears to be a price quote of EESUs with specs sent to major companies (Black & Decker, The Boeing Corporation, FGC, Inc., Snap On Tools Corporation, Vextrix Corporation, and Lockheed Martin Corporation) in 2002, 2003 and 2004 by Dick Weir. I could state for a fact there is a fraudulent claim on all the quotes, there NEVER has been an EESU which has been UL certified! Just another part of this EEStor fraud story.

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I figure that the next step is that DW is being threatened and suppressed by a conspiracy of Big Oil...

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:lol:
Counting the days to commercial fusion. It is not that long now.

Carl White
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Not EESTOR:

Now Santhakumar Kannappan at the Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology in Korea and a few pals say they have a solution based on the wonder material of the moment–graphene. These guys have built high-performance supercapacitors out of graphene that store almost as much energy as a lithium-ion battery, can charge and discharge in seconds and maintain all this over many tens of thousands of charging cycles.

Kannappan and co have measured the performance of their supercapacitor and are clearly impressed with the results. They say it has a specific capacitance of over 150 Farrads per gram can store energy at a density of more than 64 Watt hours per kilogram at a current density of 5 Amps per gram.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/11/korean ... itors.html

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The following is a press release written by Dick Weir CEO of EEStor:

EEStor, Inc. had a conference call today with ZENN Motors and Evans Capacitor

"CEDAR PARK, Texas, Dec. 9, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- EEStor, Inc. (EEStor) had a conference call this afternoon with ZENN Motors and Evans Capacitor. The objective was to try and assess what had been accomplished at Evans Capacitor since he received the EEStor layer test samples. Evans Capacitor test results, while only verbally expressed with no specifics as to the test equipment used, testing protocols seem to have been of limited value. EEStor started over seven years ago to develop testing systems and procedures and it has taken substantial investments to complete our testing protocols with our necessary equipment. Also substantial time and investment to ensure all testing systems have been certified to be accurate to internally established standards with a qualified certification company.

Given that EEStor is close to having a commercial product, starting three months ago we started to put into place additional systems to further verify the test results. Specifically, two additional capacitance insulation resistance systems have been acquired, installed and tested for high accuracy insulation resistance measurements. Thus EEStor is now measuring all layers to 100V, 250V, and 500V. Results to date on over 50 layers tested show insulation resistance remains constant and these results will be included in the EEStor next product certification. Further EEStor has ordered an additional system to measure power out of the tested layers. Thus after a layer has been charged and the power inputted into the layer has been measured then the system will have the capability to measure the power removed from the layer. The system has been received and is now in debugging and calibration. EEStor is targeting to have this system fully functional by mid-January. With the completion of the two added testing systems Evans has been invited to return to EEStor to evaluate the EEStor's testing setup, and test the latest layers for resistance, capacitance and energy density.

CAUTIONARY STATEMENT
This press release contains "forward-looking statements," including statements related to past, present or future test results, potential new customer and investments. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including the risk of development or production delays, the risk that the technology or devices may not perform as expected, component or raw materials delays or shortages, the ability to effectively manage operating expenses and manufacturing operations and the ability to maintain or raise sufficient capital to fund current development and production goals. EEStor's actual results may differ materially from the expected results in this release. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date such statements are made. EEStor does not undertake any obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements to reflect events, circumstances or new information after this press release, or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
Dick Weir
President & CEO
SOURCE EEStor, Inc."


The only thing I will say at this time the EEStor fraud/scam will continue.

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It seems to me that Weir was announcing production EESUs to be available before the end of 2007. Zenn (formerly "Feel Good Cars") got suckered into this mess back in 2005:
On September 30, 2005, FGC entered into a Technology Agreement with EEStor, Inc. located in Austin Texas, to acquire the exclusive worldwide right to purchase high-power-density ceramic ultra capacitors called Electrical Storage Units (ESU) that are under development by that company. An ESU can store over 10 times the energy of lead-acid batteries and are expected to be available for use in the ZENN and regular electrically powered small cars.
My, how time flies--and he's still talking layers.

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It is only in the last few months that test equipment has been available to measure power out of a capacitor made in Texas. Other non believers, not in Texas, just don't have the mojo to properly test power out…LOL
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After I read this PR by ZMC, It appears to me ZMC is attempting to create doubt in Dave Evan's testing protocol.

ZENN Motor Company Announces Testing Update
TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwired - Dec 10, 2013) -

ZENN Motor Company Inc. (TSX VENTURE:ZNN) ("ZENN" or the "Company") announced today that it has received initial feedback on the testing conducted by Evans Capacitors Company ("Evans"), the firm jointly selected by ZENN and EEStor, Inc. ("EEStor") to develop testing protocols and to conduct independent testing of the EESU layers manufactured by EEStor as announced by ZENN and EEStor on October 29, 2013. Evans has provided its initial feedback informally and has not yet provided a formal written report although Evans has advised that it does not expect its preliminary findings to change.
Mr. David Evans, CEO of Evans, was given full access to EEStor's facilities and was able to observe and record the results of testing of a number of different EESU layers on EEStor's testing equipment and using EEStor's developed methodology. He was then given these same layers to take back to his facility in Rhode Island for testing. The intention was to see if he could replicate the test results using methods usual to Evans' procedures and equipment. In addition, Mr. Evans also tested the layers ZENN had previously purchased from EEStor which had not been tested on EEStor's equipment in the presence of ZENN or Evans.

After initial consultation with EEStor, Evans spent several weeks to develop its own testing protocols. Evans' focus was to develop testing protocols that would measure energy that is put into each layer and then the energy that could be taken out of the same layer.

Evans has reported that it has developed testing procedures that measure energy-in and energy-out. It has tested the procedures on known capacitors to verify reliability and accuracy of the tests. Based on these tests, Evans has advised that the EESU layers tested did not show any meaningful levels of energy discharge (energy-out). Evans did find in its testing that certain layers exhibited high resistance.

EEStor has also been provided with the preliminary findings but has not yet had an opportunity to review or comment on the testing protocols used by Evans. EEStor has responded that the layers provided by EEStor to Evans were not commercial ready layers and were not expected to demonstrate high energy density and that the layers were provided to Evans solely to assist Evans in developing testing protocols. EEStor has also advised that it is continuing to work to produce layers that could have commercial potential by demonstrating both high energy storage capabilities and low energy leakage in the same layer. There can be no assurance that such layers will be developed.

There is significant complexity in the technology and the testing protocols and it is possible there are problems in the Evans procedures, a concern expressed by EEStor. If the Evans preliminary findings are accurate, it would raise questions about the commercial viability of the current EESUs layers that have been produced by EEStor. If commercially viable layers cannot be supplied and results demonstrated that clearly show progress in terms of energy storage, it would raise doubts as to the viability of EEStor's plan to be a leader in energy storage and similarly impact the business plan of ZENN.

ZENN is working to have Evans and EEStor collaborate to better understand what steps can be taken to develop testing procedures that they both believe can be relied upon so that future developments can be quickly and reliably reported on.

About ZENN Motor Company Inc.

The Company's goal is to be the provider of leading edge power storage solutions and related technologies to the transportation industry.

Information contained in this release relating to EEStor, Inc. or the energy storage technology being developed by EEStor has not been reviewed by EEStor and EEStor does not assume any responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of such information.

Unless otherwise indicated, public disclosures by EEStor of developments in the commercialization of its energy storage technology have not been independently verified by ZENN. EEStor's energy storage technology is still under development and a number of further development milestones must be achieved before commercial viability can be established. There are significant risks associated with the development of new technologies such as EEStor's energy storage technology and readers are directed to the "Risk Factors" disclosed in ZENN's most recent Annual Information Form filed on SEDAR.

Neither TSX Venture Exchange nor its Regulation Services Provider (as that term is defined in the policies of the TSX Venture Exchange) accepts responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release.

Contact:
ZENN Motor Company Inc.
Natasha Vandesluis
Chief Financial Officer
416-535-8395 ext. 220
nvandesluis@zenncars.com

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I think that Zenn is just parroting what Dick Weir is telling them. Some incredible admissions there.

Well, if the EESU doesn't pan out, Zenn can always go back to the hydrogen power scheme of AEC.

Oh, wait... :roll:

One really has to wonder why Zenn didn't have a panel of SME's advising them and watching Dick's shennanigans.

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My, my, what a coincidence. It appears the blogger who started this topic, PNeilson10 allegedly fried an EEStor layer according to a Tom Villars who is suppose to be the "smart man" over at eestor.ning. From Yahoo msg board:

"Did Professor Neilson Fry an EESCAM Layer?
I believe this to be material news, but don't worry Baghead boyz and girlz in the EESCAM.ning lala land, when Tom Villars gets back from his vacation he has plans on making some calls to clear up testing of the ZMC sample. He is guessing Professor Neilson fried a layer. Really? When TV questioned PN in chat, PN replied (keep in mind PN is suppose to be under an NDA):

"12-11 22:28 tvillars:
@b, I'm still kinda of on vacation but plan on making some calls to clear up testing of the ZMC sample. my guess is on fried it but would like to know for sure.
on=pn
12-11 22:32 tvillars:
@pn, to be clear you did test at 2000V?
12-11 22:33 PNeilson:
I had a power supply that went to 3 KV
But at 2 KV I noted the air got fuzzy"

As Col. Klink use to say, "very interesting". This appears to me to be inside info. Why didn't PN tell Tom Villars he can't answer his question because he is under an NDA? Why hasn't Zenn PR about PN noting the "air got fuzzy". Now Baghead Brennan Joseph Murphy should write a blog about PN's testing setup and what happened since now it is in the public domain. Maybe Baghead can call Dave Evans to ask him if he was informed of the air getting fuzzy, hehehe?
Now getting back to Mr. Tom "homeland security" Villars. If I was a Zenn stockholder I would be PO who the hell in ZMC is going to tell Tom Villars PN's testing protocol and how PN fried the layer. Why is Tom Villars privy to inside info at Zenn? When I connect the dots I can see where it's possible some of Tom Villars wink, wink, I know something you don't know came from. Maybe that should also be part of Zenn shareholders law suit against Zenn.

BTW-What ever happened to Capman the capacitor expert the one with the 30 years of experience...silence, hehehe,"


PNeilson10 should post what testing protocol he used and at what point he smelled the air got fuzzy.

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