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Re: SpaceX News

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Postby paperburn1 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:27 pm

And for the mth impaired

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stati ... yanny.html

All about why it cost so much treasure to get to orbit.
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Postby ladajo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:29 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: SpaceX News

Postby kunkmiester » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:31 pm

A nuclear rocket if properly optimized could get into orbit safely. The big problem is that a "safe" ntr barely has the isp and raw thrust. The higher thrust and isp rockets get hot enough the core degrades, leaving fallout in the exhaust stream.

Some of the combined ideas with "afterburning" hydrogen with oxygen or air can get better, and a technically practical design was considered possible, but no political will for anything nuclear.
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Postby krenshala » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:30 pm

SpaceX is planning a Dec 16 launch from Vandenberg AFB, assuming they get FAA approval. Looks like they may have figured out what happened back in September.

From the article I was reading on Universetoday.com, the problem on Sept 1st was oxygen solidifying next to/on the carbon-fiber He tank while the He was being loaded (the He tank is inside the LOX tank).

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Postby paperburn1 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:12 am

Through extensive testing in Texas, SpaceX has shown that it can re-create a COPV failure entirely through helium loading conditions,” SpaceX said. “These conditions are mainly affected by the temperature and pressure of the helium being loaded.” :? You would have thinked they would have tested more before this point.
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Re: SpaceX News

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Re: SpaceX News

Postby paperburn1 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:48 am

Well I'm really not sure if that's 100% true. If they found a way to repeatedly replicate the event then there must've been something in their testing that prevented them from finding it in the first place. To be able to duplicate everything would be extremely hard and they are moving at a pace that could be easily considered 10 times faster than any NASA developments that have occurred. But in the final analysis "space is hard" and at least now they know where the problem lies lies so they can get past that point and on launching more rockets.
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Postby Aero » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:22 am

And they found a reason for the event that was NOT sabotage. That is good ...
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Postby Giorgio » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:37 am

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Re: SpaceX News

Postby ladajo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:48 pm

Bummer. However, also understandable.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: SpaceX News

Postby D Tibbets » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:25 am

It is not only the super chilled liquid oxygen, but changing/ evolving oxidizer and gaseous helium loading procedures that evidently pushed them over the edge. The procedures were changing in order to better manage launch window opportunities with the temporary superchilled liquid oxygen storage lifetime. From Spaxe X reddit forum- Compressing gaseous helium leads to some weird results, even cooling (while with most gasses compressing causes heating). As the liquid oxygen was superchilled- meaning it was closer to its melting point, the cooling of the helium tanks as they were filled could , and presumably did, chill the liquid oxygen locally to the point that it solidified. I'm guessing that solid oxygen may expand like water ice does compared to it's liquid density. This led to separation of the carbon wrapped layers, loss of the considerable strength necessary to contain the high pressure gaseous helium with subsequent rupture of the tank.

As I understand it, this is why SpaceX has hinted that it was a procedural error and not a structural or design flaw. They basically filled the helium tanks too fast, a condition easy to replicate with subsequent tests. Either filling the helium tanks slower and/or chilling the liquid oxygen a little less are procedural changes that may easily eliminate the unanticipated problem.

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