Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:55 pm
Begins munch popcorn but play is absurd so discontinues wasting time.
seedload wrote:Again, evidence and proof are two different things. Evidence is not the same as fact. You dismiss evidence unless it is 100% fact thereby demonstrating your ignorance of what actually constitutes evidence. You have been shown plenty of evidence and, while you can individually show that each bit of evidence you have been shown is not fact, you fail to understand that it is still evidence. And, for some inexplicable reason, you seem to think that you are demonstrating some artful intellectual victory each time you say "that isn't a fact". Again, we know it isn't a 'fact'. It is evidence. And the sheer volume of the evidence is completely convincing to anyone capable of deduction beyond understanding the meaning of the simple and unrelated word 'fact'.KitemanSA wrote:Show me the evidence.
"Banging Head Against Wall"
A play in one act by Seedload
Someone - "Hey, here is some more evidence that Rossi is lying".
You - "But it isn't fact"
Someone - "Yeah, I know, but it sure looks like he is lying".
You - "But he might not be for such and such a reason."
Someone - "Yeah, but there sure are a lot of examples of evidence of him lying and contradicting himself."
You - "Show me a fact that he lied."
Someone - "Well, I can list all the evidence for you again if you want."
You - "But there is a possibility that this one or that one can be explained this exotic way or that."
Someone - "Ummm, OK, but that seems unlikely. I mean, given how many examples there are, doesn't it seem pretty darn likely that he is lying."
You - "Unless it is a fact that he lied, it is still possible that he is telling the truth."
Someone - "Ummm, I guess, but it sure looks like he is lying. Heck, I can give you twenty more examples of really crazy contradictions."
You - "But are any of them facts?"
Someone - "No, but there sure is a ton of evidence"
You - "But are they facts?"
Someone - "No"
You - "So there is no proof. Show me the evidence"
Someone - "I did. I just gave you all these bold faced lies as evidence"
You - "But they aren't facts"
Someone - "But they are evidence"
You - "But they are not facts."
Someone - "I guess"
You - "So, I have shown that he may not be lying and he may still be on to something"
Someone - "But that isn't likely given all the evidence"
You - "Show me the evidence"
Someone - "WTF, are you an idiot?"
You - "Hey man, what's with the name calling."
Someone - "OMG!"
You - "I don't see why you start calling me names. I am just trying to teach you what a "fact" is. You obviously don't understand."
Someone - "Of course I know what a fact is."
You - "But you keep saying that it is a fact that Rossi is lying."
Someone - "No I don't"
You - "I don't understand why you keep saying that it is a fact that Rossi is a liar."
Someone - "I haven't"
You - "It is not a fact that he is lying and you should stop saying it."
Someone - "I am not"
You - "You haven't presented a single unambiguous fact that he is a liar."
Someone - "Jesus!"
You - "Again, you are out of line."
Someone - "Rossi is a liar. I have a lot of evidence that says so."
You - "There you go, claiming it is a fact that Rossi is a liar."
Someone - "I am just stating my opinion based on the evidence. He's a liar."
You - "It's a declaratory statement, therefore you are representing it as a fact."
Someone - "Again with the 'fact' thing. It's just what I believe based on evidence"
You - "Then you MUST use the qualifier "I believe" in your sentence."
Someone - "Whatever. Don't you ever have a normal conversation? It is pretty clear that I have all this evidence that he lies, so I have formed an opinion that he is lying, and I am stating that opinion. I never claimed I had perfect facts (which rarely exist) - just that there was a ton of convincing evidence, which I am happy to share, and that this evidence leads me to the conclusion that he is a liar."
You - "But no facts."
Someone - "Are you kidding me? Your impossible."
You - "There you go attacking me again."
Someone - "Jesus!"
You - "It is just clear that it needs to be explained to you what a 'fact' is."
Someone - "Holy crap."
[Pregnant pause as principles stare uncomfortably at each other for several long seconds]
Someone - "OK, OK, so... what do you think. Is he telling the truth?"
You - "Naw, probably not."
Someone - "F*ck me!"