10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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MSimon wrote:
ScottL wrote:
No problem, he simply uses copious amounts of Duct Tape.
It fixes EVERYTHING!
Standard issue when I was in the Nuclear Navy. We called it High Pressure Tape.
"EB Green"

I once made a full gauntlet out of it. The thing lasted for years. I have also used it in the field as improvised rope (fold it on itself), and a myriad of other uses. Wonderful stuff.

Could well be the secret of Rossi's success...
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seedload wrote:
ScottL wrote:
No problem, he simply uses copious amounts of Duct Tape.
It fixes EVERYTHING!

Seriously though, if he's claiming 600C then he's going to need some cast-iron pics up soon. Work or fail, for his claims, this thing will have to get significantly bigger or more expensive. If he got these temperatures from his current 1 MW "reactor" I suspect its a slag pile now.
A thinking person would consider the fact that he claims to need lead/boron shielding for radiation protection and that he is now claiming enormous pressures. Combining these thoughts would lead a thinking person to be a bit concerned about the potential of explosion and radiation breaching the lead shielding.

This brings me back to a contradiction of his that gets very little attention. His patent and paper on his website claim large amounts of the energy produced comes from nuclear decay of short lived isotopes produced by the reaction. This radiation is shielded. Rossi also talked about mishaps where prototypes exploded. When asked directly about radiation exposure after the explosion, Rossi said that radiation was at background levels. So, where did the radioactive isotopes go?!?!?!?! If there are none, then his patent and paper are worthless. If they are there then a catastrophic accident should be a serious problem.

Alas, when asked this, Rossi simply resorted to not being able to talk about the process.

From the experiments of Piantelli Involving radiation in cold fusion, radiation is produced when the temperature of the nickel is cold. If you heat the nickel beyond its Curie point, little or no gamma radiation is produced.

Dr.Kim states this in his paper on the Rossi reaction. High temperature to make the nickel nonmagnetic supports surface superconnectivity on the outside of the nano-nickel which thermalizes gamma radiation.

Rossi solved his radiation problem when he added the secondary heater to prewarm his reactor.

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From the experiments of Piantelli Involving radiation in cold fusion, radiation is produced when the temperature of the nickel is cold. If you heat the nickel beyond its Curie point, little or no gamma radiation is produced.

Dr.Kim states this in his paper on the Rossi reaction. High temperature to make the nickel nonmagnetic supports surface superconnectivity on the outside of the nano-nickel which thermalizes gamma radiation.

Rossi solved his radiation problem when he added the secondary heater to prewarm his reactor.
The theory to support that must be most amusing. Good thing he added the heaters. Because evidently the reaction itself does not provide enough heat soon enough.

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MSimon wrote:
From the experiments of Piantelli Involving radiation in cold fusion, radiation is produced when the temperature of the nickel is cold. If you heat the nickel beyond its Curie point, little or no gamma radiation is produced.

Dr.Kim states this in his paper on the Rossi reaction. High temperature to make the nickel nonmagnetic supports surface superconnectivity on the outside of the nano-nickel which thermalizes gamma radiation.

Rossi solved his radiation problem when he added the secondary heater to prewarm his reactor.
The theory to support that must be most amusing. Good thing he added the heaters. Because evidently the reaction itself does not provide enough heat soon enough.

"Getcher Nooklear reactors here. They provide unlimited power. Just add electricity. The more electricity you add the more power you get. "


What happens in these cold fusion reactors is that gamma radiation will be produced until the reactor heats up to a certain takeoff level. This happens when the nickel powder becomes quantum mechanically coherent on the metal lattice surface. When nickel becomes non-magnetic via heating then the gamma radiation will be thermalized. As you know, magnetic fields destroy superconductivity.

More generally, material physics has made accelerating progress in topologic materials. These materials support surface superconductivity, or by another name: ballistic electron flow. Here is a lecture that explains the theory behind the surface properties of the materials that I think cold fusion reactor builders are using.


For your amusment as follows:

Topological Insulators and Super Conductors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg8Yu-Ju ... re=related

Here is Dr. Kim’s paper:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2746057/posts
The generalized BECNF theory [4] can be applied to the case of hydrogen-nickel fusion reactions observed in Rossi‟s device (the energy catalyzer) [5] under the following two conditions: (1) additives used (not disclosed in the patent application) form Ni alloy and/or Ni metal/alloy oxide in the surface regions of nickel nano-scale particles, so that Ni atoms/nuclei become mobile with a sufficiently large diffusion coefficient and (2) local magnetic field is very weak in the surface regions, providing a suitable environment in which two neighboring protons can couple their spins anti-parallel to form spin-zero singlet state (S=0). Relatively low Curie temperature (nickel has the Curie temperature of 631 oK (~358 oC)) is expected to help to maintain the weak magnetic field in the surface regions. If Rossi‟s device is operated at temperatures greater than the Curie temperature ~ 358 oC and with hydrogen pressures of up to ~ 22 bars, the conditions (1) and (2) may have been achieved in Rossi‟s device.

The mobility of Ni atoms/nuclei (condition (1)) is enhanced by the use of an electric resistance heater to maintain higher temperatures. This may provide a suitable environment in which more of both Ni atoms/nuclei and protons become mobile, thus creating a favorable environment for the case of two species of Bosons (Ni nuclei and composite Bosons of paired two protons). If the velocities of mobile Ni atoms/nuclei under the condition (1) are sufficiently slow, their de-Broglie wavelengths become sufficiently large and may overlap with neighboring two-proton composite Bosons which are also mobile, thus creating Bose-Einstein condensation of two species of Bosons. The generalized BECNF theory can now be applied to these two-species of Bosons and provides a mechanism for the suppression/cancellation of the Coulomb barrier, as shown in [4].

Once the Coulomb barrier is overcome in the entrance reaction channel, many possible allowed exit reaction channels may become open...

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This happens when the nickel powder becomes quantum mechanically coherent on the metal lattice surface.
Nice trick. Has it been verified outside the CF/LENR/phlogiston community?

Maybe something on Ni powder nuclear cross sections vs temperature.

I was under the impression that coherence was a low temperature phenomenon.
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Axil wrote:
MSimon wrote:
From the experiments of Piantelli Involving radiation in cold fusion, radiation is produced when the temperature of the nickel is cold. If you heat the nickel beyond its Curie point, little or no gamma radiation is produced.

Dr.Kim states this in his paper on the Rossi reaction. High temperature to make the nickel nonmagnetic supports surface superconnectivity on the outside of the nano-nickel which thermalizes gamma radiation.

Rossi solved his radiation problem when he added the secondary heater to prewarm his reactor.
The theory to support that must be most amusing. Good thing he added the heaters. Because evidently the reaction itself does not provide enough heat soon enough.

"Getcher Nooklear reactors here. They provide unlimited power. Just add electricity. The more electricity you add the more power you get. "


What happens in these cold fusion reactors is that gamma radiation will be produced until the reactor heats up to a certain takeoff level. This happens when the nickel powder becomes quantum mechanically coherent on the metal lattice surface. When nickel becomes non-magnetic via heating then the gamma radiation will be thermalized. As you know, magnetic fields destroy superconductivity.

More generally, material physics has made accelerating progress in topologic materials. These materials support surface superconductivity, or by another name: ballistic electron flow. Here is a lecture that explains the theory behind the surface properties of the materials that I think cold fusion reactor builders are using.


For your amusment as follows:

Topological Insulators and Super Conductors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg8Yu-Ju ... re=related

Here is Dr. Kim’s paper:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2746057/posts
The generalized BECNF theory [4] can be applied to the case of hydrogen-nickel fusion reactions observed in Rossi‟s device (the energy catalyzer) [5] under the following two conditions: (1) additives used (not disclosed in the patent application) form Ni alloy and/or Ni metal/alloy oxide in the surface regions of nickel nano-scale particles, so that Ni atoms/nuclei become mobile with a sufficiently large diffusion coefficient and (2) local magnetic field is very weak in the surface regions, providing a suitable environment in which two neighboring protons can couple their spins anti-parallel to form spin-zero singlet state (S=0). Relatively low Curie temperature (nickel has the Curie temperature of 631 oK (~358 oC)) is expected to help to maintain the weak magnetic field in the surface regions. If Rossi‟s device is operated at temperatures greater than the Curie temperature ~ 358 oC and with hydrogen pressures of up to ~ 22 bars, the conditions (1) and (2) may have been achieved in Rossi‟s device.

The mobility of Ni atoms/nuclei (condition (1)) is enhanced by the use of an electric resistance heater to maintain higher temperatures. This may provide a suitable environment in which more of both Ni atoms/nuclei and protons become mobile, thus creating a favorable environment for the case of two species of Bosons (Ni nuclei and composite Bosons of paired two protons). If the velocities of mobile Ni atoms/nuclei under the condition (1) are sufficiently slow, their de-Broglie wavelengths become sufficiently large and may overlap with neighboring two-proton composite Bosons which are also mobile, thus creating Bose-Einstein condensation of two species of Bosons. The generalized BECNF theory can now be applied to these two-species of Bosons and provides a mechanism for the suppression/cancellation of the Coulomb barrier, as shown in [4].

Once the Coulomb barrier is overcome in the entrance reaction channel, many possible allowed exit reaction channels may become open...
Fantastic!

But it has nothing to do with ROSSI'S claims.
Stick the thing in a tub of water! Sheesh!

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DGT and Brillioun to Present at ICCF-17

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/iccf- ... ble-event/
In addition, while not listed on the ICCF-17 web site, Infinite Energy magazine is reporting that Defkalion Green Technolgies and Brillioun Energy will be making presentations at the conference. IE’s web site reports, ‘Representatives from Defkalion will make two presentations: A technical presentation entitled “Technical Characteristics & Performance of the Defkalion Hyperion Model 0 Module” and a general presentation on “The Potential Contribution of LENR in Resolving the World’s Energy Problems.” Robert Godes, the President and Chief Technology Officer of Brillouin Energy, will make a presentation on their technical results and also participate in the theory panel.’
Perhaps we will finally get some data from the DGT testing at this event. Stirling Alan said that one of the testing groups wanted to delay publication of results until an August event. Perhaps he was right (heh, it could happen) and this is it. More waiting of course...

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Perhaps we will finally get some data from the DGT testing at this event
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Please forgive me, if I have my doubts ;)

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Post by Crawdaddy »

Interesting interview.

The interviewer is a member of CMNS mailing list, an invitation only discussion group populated by the cold fusion research community.

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/06 ... iness.html

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Post by Skipjack »

Yeah, more soons, tomorrows, potentials, will bes and handwaving.
No concrete facts, nothing.

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It should be noted (again) that two separate fusion pathways, one of which produces gamma rays, is required in this claim. Not only one, but two unsupported mechanisms, and fusion ash products.

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D Tibbets wrote:It should be noted (again) that two separate fusion pathways, one of which produces gamma rays, is required in this claim. Not only one, but two unsupported mechanisms, and fusion ash products.

Dan Tibbets
It should also be noted (again) that experimental error and fraud are the only reason to question these claims.

The interview is useful information because it gives us a time frame for more details.

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Post by Kahuna »

A new DGT statement regarding testing:

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2 ... Update.pdf
DEFKALION STATUS UPDATE
Following our absence from the public sphere, the following is a status update:
We are conducting analyses of our materials using XRF and ICP-MS. We are committed that this analysis be done with the highest standards. To ensure these high standards, we are using multiple laboratories in Europe. When those results are available, we shall present them in the appropriate forum.
We also have designed and are operating a fully instrumented flow calorimeter to measure the power production of our reactor. Outside scientists and engineers are measuring the input power as well as our flow calorimeter output performance. All these results will be presented when we are confident that they will withstand the scrutiny demanded by our own interests in product development, and the scrutiny of our customers.
We thank you for your continued interest in our challenging and important work load.
More waiting...

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Post by D Tibbets »

Carl White wrote:Not sure whether this is new, but there's a longish video embedded
in the following article that was produced at SPAWAR.

"SPAWAR Space and Naval Warfare – LENR Proof"

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2012/05/26 ... enr-proof/
As with other research, controls are critical. The results were intriguing, but one of the critisms was that they did cot control for chemical reactionsthat could give similar results. The chlorine ions in the electrolye may etch the plastic in a similar manner. In fact this was shown in a subsequant study. Sop,the pits may be chemical in origen or nuclear. The results are inconclusive. It seams it would be easy to seal the plastic in a protective thin glass that would still allow for passage of sufficient high energy protons but I have not seen this done.

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D Tibbets wrote:
Carl White wrote:Not sure whether this is new, but there's a longish video embedded
in the following article that was produced at SPAWAR.

"SPAWAR Space and Naval Warfare – LENR Proof"

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2012/05/26 ... enr-proof/
As with other research, controls are critical. The results were intriguing, but one of the critisms was that they did cot control for chemical reactionsthat could give similar results. The chlorine ions in the electrolye may etch the plastic in a similar manner. In fact this was shown in a subsequant study. Sop,the pits may be chemical in origen or nuclear. The results are inconclusive. It seams it would be easy to seal the plastic in a protective thin glass that would still allow for passage of sufficient high energy protons but I have not seen this done.

Dan Tibbets
They controlled the experiment by using regular hydrogen vs deuterium!

Furthermore, they observed trialpha tracks characteristic of 14MeV neutrons that nucleated within the CR-39 not at the surface. These characteristic tracks are only observed using deuterium loaded cells and cannot be the result of a chemical reaction.

Your characterization of the experiment is flawed. Please reread the journal publications.

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