10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[Maui]

We're also told that it needs to be plugged in to remain stable which causes the temperature to increase again. I find this confusing as I would assume a reaction becoming unstable in such a device would mean the temperature is likely rising, not falling like we observed.

After seeing those results, I decided that what is meant by "stable" is not "safe" but "relatively constant". In other words, if you unplug it, it stops generating heat, goes cold and is, therefore, "unstable".

[Joseph Chikva]

Joseph has spent so many hours for this topic and yet he is not aware about "non-steam" demonstration; well, apparently it is totally pointless to argue with such "audience".

I am afraid you and me see at importance of this topic from different points of view. Being here for me is something like exercise in English when there is no something else - more interesting.
And you are wrong about "many hours". Last week I was not at this topic at all. I am sure. As I was busy and had not time for this. Sometimes I spend here some time. For example when I have read the current advertising message of Mr. parallel which has seemed to me absolutely not representing to facts.
So I quite can miss something.
And, so, where is link on non-steam test? Is there better calorimetry?

"Snake's" words:

Thus, the group had no accurate measurements of the heat output or the quality of steam produced and therefore no experimental evidence on which to base its extraordinary energy claim.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/08/ ... ven-steps/
Please provide me an evidence of contrary.

[stefanbanev]

Joseph has spent so many hours for this topic and yet he is not aware about "non-steam" demonstration; well, apparently it is totally pointless to argue with such "audience".

I am afraid you and me see at importance of this topic from different points of view. Being here for me is something like exercise in English when there is no something else - more interesting.
And you are wrong about "many hours". Last week I was not at this topic at all. I am sure. As I was busy and had not time for this. Sometimes I spend here some time. For example when I have read the current advertising message of Mr. parallel which has seemed to me absolutely not representing to facts.
So I quite can miss something.
And, so, where is link on non-steam test? Is there better calorimetry?

"Snake's" words:

Thus, the group had no accurate measurements of the heat output or the quality of steam produced and therefore no experimental evidence on which to base its extraordinary energy claim.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/08/ ... ven-steps/
Please provide me an evidence of contrary.

I see no need to provide you anything, the info is public, if you can not do so little on your own... sorry I forgot, your actual need is to train your English, unfortunately my English is too bad to satisfy your needs. All the best...

[Joseph Chikva]

I see no need to provide you anything, the info is public, if you can not do so little on your own... sorry I forgot, your actual need is to train your English, unfortunately my English is too bad to satisfy your needs. All the best...

I could not find such information except: "Someone's aunt said"
Or may be Rossi's blog "Dear.... We tested, The building is underway.. warm regards, AR" I do not read that.
I am talking about evidence from competent and at the same time uninterested (neutral) sources or at least video like to unsuccessful demo of 5kW device.

[vankirkc]

I see no need to provide you anything, the info is public, if you can not do so little on your own... sorry I forgot, your actual need is to train your English, unfortunately my English is too bad to satisfy your needs. All the best...

I could not find such information except: "Someone's aunt said"
Or may be Rossi's blog "Dear.... We tested, The building is underway.. warm regards, AR" I do not read that.
I am talking about evidence from competent and at the same time uninterested (neutral) sources or at least video like to unsuccessful demo of 5kW device.

Mr. Chikva, I'd like to introduce you to the term 'forum troll.' Here's a link to its definition:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... orum+troll

I think that your activities on the board, in general, fall into the category of forum trolling. Whatever your intentions are, or how accurate your point of view might be, your presentation and general hostility make you a troll.

[Joseph Chikva]

Mr. Chikva, I'd like to introduce you to the term 'forum troll.' Here's a link to its definition:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... orum+troll

I think that your activities on the board, in general, fall into the category of forum trolling. Whatever your intentions are, or how accurate your point of view might be, your presentation and general hostility make you a troll.

Thanks, I am flattered.
Do you rank me to trolls because I name lie as "lie" and nonsense as "nonsense"?
Also I name "religion" if you believe someone claiming something without providing of corresponding evidence.
Yesterday like Jesus I walked above the water. Do you believe me?
Hostility? No
But: Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas (c)

[sparkyy0007]

fyi
DGT forum back on line.

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

[TallDave]

The latest news is that Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson will test an e-Cat module on October 6th.
On October 6 we will have the opportunity to make a long (more then 12 hours) test of one of the modules of the Rossi 1 MW generator. The module will be opened to us and we will have the opportunity to verify volumes and weights of the internal components. Heat measurements will be done condensing all the steam produced in heat exchanger and a secondary circuit where no water will be vaporized.

This is NOT an official test of the University of Bologna because the contract is not active yet.

The measurement of energy will not therefore be made on the steam, to avoid all the issues concerning the quality of the steam, but the measurements of energy will be made on the delta T of the water of the secondary circuit heated by the steam! This way, the amount of energy produced will be calculated in an undisputable way. The steam runs in a primary circuit, which is a closed loop, where the steam is condensed after exchanging heat with the water of the secondary circuit, which will never evaporate. Therefore, the energy is calculated on the base of the delta T of the heated water and its flow rate, indipendently from the temperature of the steam, that does not enter in the energy calculation parameters.

Thanks Carl, I will look forward to that test!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_David_Josephson

[parallel]

TallDave,
As far as I know, Brian Josephson has been invited but it is not known if he has accepted.
Meanwhile Rossi has posted this, that gives some details.

Andrea Rossi
September 26th, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Dear Italo:
I confirm
The energy measurements will be made only on the water heated by the reactor’s primary circuit in the heat exchanger that will heat the water using the steam made by the reactor. The steam will be in a closed loop, and will be condensed by the heat exchanger; one thermometer will be put along the water circuit at the input of the heat exchanger and one thermometer will be put at the exit of the heat exchanger, so that the delta T to calculate the energy will be taken only from the liquid water flow of the secondary circuit. This of course will penalize us, because some energy will be lost in the heat exchange, but the energy we produce is so high that we can accept it. The E-Cat will work also in self sustained mode. We have invited selected scientists from Sweden, USA, France, G.B., Germany, Italy, Greece, Japan, Cina, Russia.
Every component of the circuit will be inspected and weighted before the test, and also external measures will be taken of the reactors.
The test will last at least 12 hours. At the end all the components will be again disassembled, weighted, etc.
Measurements will be taken from a specialist expert to accertain that no radiations modify substantially the background radiations of the room.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
September 26th, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Dear Malcom:
The primary circuit has its pump and the secondary ciscuit has its pump: between the primary and the secondary circuit there is not communication, they just exchange he4at. The water rate is measured by a standard flowmeter.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
September 26th, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Dear Prometeo:
Around the half of October we will give info about the 1 MW start up. On the 7th you should find in the net the report asnd video of the test of October 6th regarding one cluster of the modules of the 1 MW plant.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

[Joseph Chikva]

The test will last at least 12 hours.

Here Kiteman teached me that "will" means the future.
So, "test will last" means that test has not been done yet. Am I right?
And, so "18 hours non-steam test" is bluff.

[KitemanSA]

The test will last at least 12 hours.

Here Kiteman teached me that "will" means the future.
So, "test will last" means that test has not been done yet. Am I right?
And, so "18 hours non-steam test" is bluff.

Levi's 18 Hour non-steam test HAS been done, last spring some time. Not a bluff, real. But, the results were questionable... again. The 12 hour dual circuit test has NOT yet been done.
18 hour non-steam, past. 12 hour dual circuit, future. Got it?

[sparkyy0007]

On Sept. 5 and 6, a team comprising representatives from an investment group
and NASA visited Andrea Rossi’s showroom in Bologna. The team went there with an explicit
agreement about test parameters and opportunities to observe and evaluate Rossi’s claims.
They did not observe any positive results.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... -research/

[Joseph Chikva]

The test will last at least 12 hours.

Here Kiteman teached me that "will" means the future.
So, "test will last" means that test has not been done yet. Am I right?
And, so "18 hours non-steam test" is bluff.

Levi's 18 Hour non-steam test HAS been done, last spring some time. Not a bluff, real. But, the results were questionable... again. The 12 hour dual circuit test has NOT yet been done.
18 hour non-steam, past. 12 hour dual circuit, future. Got it?

Ok, thanks. I did not know. But key words in your post are: "the results were questionable... again."

[Tech]

On Sept. 5 and 6, a team comprising representatives from an investment group
and NASA visited Andrea Rossi’s showroom in Bologna. The team went there with an explicit
agreement about test parameters and opportunities to observe and evaluate Rossi’s claims.
They did not observe any positive results.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... -research/

On Rossis blog:


Andrea Rossi
September 29th, 2011 at 3:53 AM

WARNING:
THE SNAKE HAS WRITTEN IN HIS BLOG THAT NASA MADE A NOT POSITIVE TEST WITH US. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE. I AM BOUND FROM A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT AND I CANNOT GIVE DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT I CAN SAY THAT:
1- WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH NASA, WHO WANTS TO TEST OUR ECATS TO TEST THE POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THEM USEFUL FOR THEIR PURPOSES
2- NASA’S DENNIS.M.BUSHNELL HAS SAID PUBILCLY THAT NASA WILL BUY AN E-CAT AS SOON AS IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO TEST IT
3- OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NASA IS TOTALLY POSITIVE

IN A SEPARATE STATEMENT, A SNAKE’S ACCOLITE WROTE THAT THE TEST WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THE 6TH OF OCTOBER WILL BE ALWAYS MADE WITH STEAM. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH THIS PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH PERSONS THAT HAVE REAL DIFFICULTIES TO UNDERSTAND A TITLE OF A NEWSPAPER IF THEY ARE AT THE SAME TIME CHEWING A GUM, BUT, JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION I REPEAT THAT:
THE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE MADE ON LIQUID WATER. WE WILL HAVE THE STEAM PRODUCED FROM THE REACTOR THAT WILL WORK IN A CLOSED LOOP, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT, AND THE STEAM ITSELF EXCHANGES HEAT WITH THE LIQUID WATER IN A SECONDARY CLOSED LOOP, SO THAT THE WATER IS HEATED BY THE STEAM THROUGH THE WALLS OF A HEAT EXCHANGER. WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAUSE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM !!!!!!! WE COULD PUT IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT STEAM, DIATHERMIC OIL, GLYCOLE, COCA COLA: IT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRILEVANT WHICH IS THE FLUID IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT AS FOR CONCERNS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ENERGY BECAUSE WE MEASURE THE ENERGY ONLY MULTIPLYING THE CUBIC METERS OF WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT IN ONE HOUR BY THE DELTA T OBTAINED SUBTRACTING, FROM THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WATER (LIQUID) OF THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT AT THE EXIT FROM THE HEAT EXCHANGER, THE TEMPERATURE OF THE SAME LIQUID WATER AT THE INPUT OF THE SAME HEAT EXCHANGER.
ANDREA ROSSI

[parallel]

It seems that Ing. Rossi continues to confound his critics who have forecast evasive behavior and long delays for the scheduled test in October.
The critics have gone rather quiet except for the one who changes the gender of all reporters to aunts.

So, now we are on the threshold of finding out whether the E-Cat really works, how many of the earlier critics who were so vocal about their certainty that Rossi was a fraud and LENR never happens, have the guts to now confirm their earlier positions?

At least Rossi has provided us with much entertainment that makes a pleasant change from the lack of news about the Polywell.