Lunar Bombing, Far Left Insanity, and Polywell

[chrismb]

The communists (international socialists) and the Nazis (National Socialists) are virtually identical

If you had lived through WW2 you'd know how truly stupid that comment is.

One side of my wife's family lived in the Sudetenland. I have a grandmother-in-law who still lives in the house they took over from the German family that built it [as 'reparation']. I have first-hand accounts of when the Germans came in, then the Russians pushed them out, then the Germans came back, then the Russians 'won'. There are two very distinct stories that are told of the way they behave and their mentality.

Despite the fact that the Western powers handed Czechoslovakia to Hitler on a plate, the greatest bitterness they (and the Poles) hold to this day is that they were left to the Russians. Just ask a Pole, Czech or Slovak. Same story from everyone.

The Nazis killed people when they hated them. The Commies just killed whoever got in their way.

After Czechoslovakia was siezed, my wife's Grandfather was sent to Germany to work. As the 'victors' would say, he was slave labour. He was put to work in a paper mill, paid and fed, wrote a letter now and again, learned german, and went back home at the end of the war with reichtsmarks in his pocket that made him relatively wealthy in the area. On the other side of the family, in eastern Slovakia, the Russians did similarly and those people were never seen or heard of again.

We Brits got involved in a war we didn't understand, and lost.

[Diogenes]

... And I will have to disagree with your description. Libertarians are not 'radical right' or 'far right' or any kind of left or right, they are forward.

Explanation here: Libertarianism: Left or Right?

That is nice, but we ain't 19th century French or anything like it. With today's meanings of the terms, Libs are not leftist, nor are they rightist, they are... forwardists I guess is the best term.

Suppressing laughter... Please explain... hee hee... what you mean....ho ho..... by "Forwardists".

It seems to me the only thing liberals are looking forward too is more government money and more government activity. Wealth and power baby ! Under THEIR control !


They are in fact the wannabe elites who wish to nannystate the poor deluded hoi poloi who don't know whats good for them.

Some say liberals are merely trying to reinstate the Aristocracy, with themselves being the ruling class, and the mindless minions their subjects. Why else do liberals love government ?

[Diogenes]

The communists (international socialists) and the Nazis (National Socialists) are virtually identical

If you had lived through WW2 you'd know how truly stupid that comment is.

One side of my wife's family lived in the Sudetenland. I have a grandmother-in-law who still lives in the house they took over from the German family that built it [as 'reparation']. I have first-hand accounts of when the Germans came in, then the Russians pushed them out, then the Germans came back, then the Russians 'won'. There are two very distinct stories that are told of the way they behave and their mentality.

Despite the fact that the Western powers handed Czechoslovakia to Hitler on a plate, the greatest bitterness they (and the Poles) hold to this day is that they were left to the Russians. Just ask a Pole, Czech or Slovak. Same story from everyone.

The Nazis killed people when they hated them. The Commies just killed whoever got in their way.

After Czechoslovakia was siezed, my wife's Grandfather was sent to Germany to work. As the 'victors' would say, he was slave labour. He was put to work in a paper mill, paid and fed, wrote a letter now and again, learned german, and went back home at the end of the war with reichtsmarks in his pocket that made him relatively wealthy in the area. On the other side of the family, in eastern Slovakia, the Russians did similarly and those people were never seen or heard of again.

We Brits got involved in a war we didn't understand, and lost.

It sounds like you are saying the Comies are worse than the Nazis. This is perhaps valid. The commies were equal opportunity murderers, while the Nazis primarily concentrated on specific groups.

In any case, If you are saying the commies are worse, I have no heartburn with that. They certainly have a larger body count than the Nazis.

My point is, they are all socialists who liked the idea of an all powerful state.

[alexjrgreen]

... And I will have to disagree with your description. Libertarians are not 'radical right' or 'far right' or any kind of left or right, they are forward.

Explanation here: Libertarianism: Left or Right?

That is nice, but we ain't 19th century French or anything like it. With today's meanings of the terms, Libs are not leftist, nor are they rightist, they are... forwardists I guess is the best term.

The important word is 'radical' (by the root). It's not so far from your term, 'forward', in the sense you use it.

Shades of 'left' and 'right' come and go with political expediency, as the link demonstrated. Today's expediency is 'right', but that can always change...

[alexjrgreen]

Why else do liberals love government ?

A good answer would be the recent Nobel prize for Economics.

[Art Carlson]

Explanation here: Libertarianism: Left or Right?

That is nice, but we ain't 19th century French or anything like it. With today's meanings of the terms, Libs are not leftist, nor are they rightist, they are... forwardists I guess is the best term.

Suppressing laughter... Please explain... hee hee... what you mean....ho ho..... by "Forwardists".

It seems to me the only thing liberals are looking forward too is more government money and more government activity. Wealth and power baby ! Under THEIR control !


They are in fact the wannabe elites who wish to nannystate the poor deluded hoi poloi who don't know whats good for them.

Some say liberals are merely trying to reinstate the Aristocracy, with themselves being the ruling class, and the mindless minions their subjects. Why else do liberals love government ?

You were certainly right about this:

I'm going to stop now. I will get carried away if I continue.

[pfrit]

Explanation here: Libertarianism: Left or Right?

That is nice, but we ain't 19th century French or anything like it. With today's meanings of the terms, Libs are not leftist, nor are they rightist, they are... forwardists I guess is the best term.

Suppressing laughter... Please explain... hee hee... what you mean....ho ho..... by "Forwardists".

It seems to me the only thing liberals are looking forward too is more government money and more government activity. Wealth and power baby ! Under THEIR control !


They are in fact the wannabe elites who wish to nannystate the poor deluded hoi poloi who don't know whats good for them.

Some say liberals are merely trying to reinstate the Aristocracy, with themselves being the ruling class, and the mindless minions their subjects. Why else do liberals love government ?

Sorry, but I gotta laugh at this one. He used lib to mean libertarian, not liberal.

[93143]

Libs

Do you mean Liberals or Libertarians? Subtle difference...?

[chrismb]

It sounds like you are saying the Comies are worse than the Nazis. This is perhaps valid. The commies were equal opportunity murderers, while the Nazis primarily concentrated on specific groups.

My point is, they are all socialists who liked the idea of an all powerful state.

It's not so much who I would decide was the least worst, I'd not get into that debate, but the Nazis did stuff [in their view] for a reason which was to create glorious success for the state, whereas the Commies just wanted 'glory' and doing it by subjugation was the easiest way which also meant a form of stability could be held. Before he went really potty and started micromanaging, Hitler's method was to give people as much chance to do what they thought was right and strong, a kind of 'freedom of the jungle' under his gaze. As I understand it, he had at least a couple of departments for various state functions doing essentially the same things, so that they 'competed' for his attention and funding. A kind of competetive Government. I think that is a good model, but today's governments run with socialist ideals would try to argue that this is inefficient so single monolithic government departments should prevail. (It's not for efficiency, it's for control.)

In any case, If you are saying the commies are worse, I have no heartburn with that. They certainly have a larger body count than the Nazis.

A metric of terrible calculation, but nonetheless a reality.

[Diogenes]

You were certainly right about this:

I'm going to stop now. I will get carried away if I continue.

Art made a funny! I am honored!

[Diogenes]

Sorry, but I gotta laugh at this one. He used lib to mean libertarian, not liberal.

My bad.

[KitemanSA]

Libs

Do you mean Liberals or Libertarians? Subtle difference...?

Actually, MAJOR difference, though some folks call Libertarians "Classical Liberals". Sorry for the confusion. I was talking Libertarians and got lazy!

[KitemanSA]

Suppressing laughter... Please explain... hee hee... what you mean....ho ho..... by "Forwardists".

Print out the image and hold it horizontally in front of you so that you can read it and the "Left Liberal" is on the left and the "Right Conservative" is on the right. Which way from center does the "Libertarian" point? Leftist, rightist, "forwardist"? Don't like it? You think of something better.

[chrismb]

I guess I didn't succeed in getting a rise out of anyone with the observation that the Brits lost WW2 (and, of course, the Amercians were therefore on the loosing side).

Of course, right-minded folks like us know that no wars can be won in this age. It is like asking 'so, who won that earthquake'. But the reality that WW2 was declared to liberate Poland, and we failed. We lost fighting men, civilians, money, for no improvement nor gain of wealth or territory. By any measure, we lost things that we didn't need to loose. We declared war on the Nazis, the Americans joined in, but the Commies won. How do you figure that one? Such is the uselessness of warfare these days. Just look at the objectives of Afgahanistan and Iraq - none of the [stated] objectives met. Pointless loss of life and money, then?

[KitemanSA]

I guess I didn't succeed in getting a rise out of anyone with the observation that the Brits lost WW2 (and, of course, the Amercians were therefore on the loosing side).

Why would you expect a rise from folks who agree with you?