10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon ... portunity/

DOE Mentions Technology Behind The Home Nuclear Reactor In Funding Opportunity

The Department of Energy included low energy nuclear reactions—which NASA scientists have said could fuel home nuclear reactors—among other representative technologies in a $10 million funding opportunity it announced last fall.

The brief mention in the document from DOE’s Advanced Research Projects Agency for Energy (ARPA-E) is being heralded by observers of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology as a significant development.

“This first-ever direct invitation from the Department of Energy for submission of proposals to fund this research marks a significant point in the field’s history,” according to Steven Krivitt of New Energy Times, a news site devoted to low energy nuclear reactions.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Pardon, but my reading of " DOE funding for small nuclear reactors" in a Google search links to what is called SMR for small modular reactor, is referring to smaller fission plants of perhaps 100-300 MW thermal capacity. It has nothing to do with LENR or fusion .

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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It is a little hard to find the actual reference. It says "low-energy nuclear reactions" on page 7, Figure 3, item 3.6.

On p.5, under the "PROGRAM OVERVIEW", it states -
"This announcement is purposely broad in scope to encourage the
submission of the most innovative, out-of-the-box ideas in energy
technology. Since the first law of thermodynamics states that energy
is always conserved, i.e. it can never be created or destroyed, our
principal concern is with the conversion of energy into useful energy
or maximizing usable energy (exergy). Useful energy can take many
forms including: radiant energy from lights, electrical energy for
appliances, thermal energy to heat homes, mechanical energy for
transportation, chemical energy in the form of food, and energy used
to make products. From the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy
of a system cannot decrease when converting energy from one form to
another (忖S ≡ 0), the end effect being that all useful energy humans
consume ultimately results in the production of heat that is radiated
into space, except for a few exceptions such as the energy embedded in
products. It is therefore our endeavor to identify technologies that
enable the efficient and cost-effective conversion between or within
the various different forms of energy (Figure 2) while minimizing
exergy destruction. Within this general framework, ARPA-E seeks
transformative ideas that enable the most efficient, economical,
sustainable, and environmentally benign conversion of energy while
minimizing exergy destruction."

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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So this broad energy development FOA is being heralded as a LENR validation?

Not.

In case anyone didn't notice, the FOA is about development, not research. It is also capping at $500K per project for 12 months. Very much beneath Rossi's current ability to manufacture, sell and deliver 1MW units within 4 months from order.

I find it interesting that they put LENR in the table. But not that interesting to run about shouting it up. It is ARPA-E for goodness sakes. Their charter is fringe.
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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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if the item of interest is in the chart on page 7, point 3.6, I don't think that LENR in the sense of fusion is being referred to, as it's under the classification of "chemical". Rossi's/Defkalion's/Brillouin's devices would fall under 2.6, "thermal", which includes thermonuclear fusion reactions. Rossi's gizmo can be viewed as a theromonuclear fusion reactor, albeit low-energy. It certainly doesn't appear to be type 3.6's "chemonuclear reaction".

At least that's the way I read it. Perhaps ARPA-E would respond to a question as to exactly what they mean by "low-energy nuclear chemical reaction" in 3.6.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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the Chinese nickel reactor new energy projects...where it will be built.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/darde ... y-project/


In addition, some interesting links from Sterling Allan's outline:


•There is a possibility that premier Li Keqiang took part in a meeting with Cherokee's Tom Darden.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/e-cat ... -in-china/.

•The E-Cat story was covered in Spiegel Online in November:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/germa ... ssi-e-cat/.

•It seems the E-Cat did not obtain safety certification for domestic use (perhaps this is old news).

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi- ... tification

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blo ... ut-an.html

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Amanda Jones HoyleStaff Writer-
Triangle Business Journal

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Executives at Cherokee Investment Partners in Raleigh have so far been quiet about what they are doing with a new entity that raised $11.6 million last fall called Industrial Heat LLC.

But there’s at least one theory circulating among the energy production market that Industrial Heat is one of the backers behind a new energy catalyzer device being developed by inventor Andrea Rossi.

Rossi, in turn, has been pitching the thermal heat energy technology to Chinese officials with help from Cherokee, according to the blog site E-Cat World.

Cherokee CEO Tom Darden says that due to “strict confidentiality requirements,” he can’t address any of the specific technologies that Industrial Heat is supporting.

“But the company has investigated or supported several,” he says. “I am sure it will be a while before there are any results.”

Darden says none of the entities referenced in the E-Cat World blogs have invested in Industrial Heat. “Nor does Industrial Heat have any Chinese investors,” he says.

When Industrial Heat reported to the U.S Securities and Exchange Commission in August that it had raised $11.6 million of a proposed $20 million round of financing, it noted that 14 investors had provided funding so far. Darden and Cherokee senior analyst J.T. Vaughn were listed as managers of the fund.

Vaughn also spearheads the Cherokee-McDonough Challenge that through Cherokee and its advisory group helps support and fund startup environmental companies.

Darden says that on a recent trip to China, Industrial Heat was one of the topics he discussed with Chinese officials, “but my main focus was to encourage them to bring new environmental technologies to China from some of the Challenge companies.”

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Well "Wired" notes that LENR is moving to mainstream http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... mainstream and there are major developments from the four major players.
But the trolls like Rcain, ScottL, Skipjack, Ladajo, Stubby, Paperburn. etc have driven away posters liike me, who followed the news.

So they can live in blissful ignorance of what is happening until it is mainstream media news, at which point I'm sure they will first claim they knew it all along before crawling back under the rock from which they came.
I hope you are pleased in your efforts to keep the rest of the readers of this blog in the dark, proving that your vacuous opinions do something.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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parallel wrote:Well "Wired" notes that LENR is moving to mainstream http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... mainstream and there are major developments from the four major players.
But the trolls like Rcain, ScottL, Skipjack, Ladajo, Stubby, Paperburn. etc have driven away posters liike me, who followed the news.

So they can live in blissful ignorance of what is happening until it is mainstream media news, at which point I'm sure they will first claim they knew it all along before crawling back under the rock from which they came.
I hope you are pleased in your efforts to keep the rest of the readers of this blog in the dark, proving that your vacuous opinions do something.
Homeopathy is also so called "mainstream", but that does not mean that it is not bullshit.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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From the article "parallel universe" posted:
If LENR does turn out to be a viable technology -- an uncertain proposition at best -- then the challenges involved in commercialising it are only just be beginning. (sic)
So parallel, you seem to be certain that LENR is real and viable, and quote this article as evidence. But the article itself seems far less confident. As a scientist, I'm far less confident then even this rather cursory article, because of the extremely poor quality of evidence that has been presented so far, along with the rather high quality information suggesting previous fraudulent behavior by Rossi. Thinking responders on this site that have made your "list of trolls" (Rcain, ScottL, Skipjack, Ladajo, Stubby, Paperburn - can I join too :) ) also are far from convinced.

For this crime, we'll all be sorry and crawl under our rocks, I'm sure, at least in your parallel universe. It seems that the laws of physics do not apply to your universe, so from that context, perhaps your righteous indignation is justified. Forgive us for being blissfully ignorant about the laws of your alternate parallel universe.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Oh sdg, now you've gone and done it. You've applied reason. What were you thinking?

Parallel.
What say you again to another of your vaunted "proofs" that is not?
If LENR does turn out to be a viable technology -- an uncertain proposition at best -- then the challenges involved in commercialising it are only just be beginning.
Obviously, because someone is talking about it, it must be real.

Not.

And not even a full on appeal to authority. Just a half assed one.
You are a smart guy. But you work really hard at looking like an idiot. You should stop.
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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Beside neutrons, there is another less traveled road to the initiation of nuclear reactions that has been under the radar in the nuclear community.

Many years ago, it was shown that high energy lasers could induce fission and fusion if the power of the laser pulse was strong enough

http://physics.aps.org/story/v5/st3

Photo induced nuclear reactions begin to occur when the power density of the infrared light reached just under 10^^20 W/cm2.

Since the time of unaided photo nuclear reactions were demonstrated at the turn of this century, it has been shown that gold nano-particles used as nano-lenses can amplify and concentrate infrared light by 9 orders of magnitudes(Silver by 11). This is experimentally verified performance that comes out of the science of Nanoplasmonics.

Now with gold Nano-particles, it is logical to expect nuclear reactions will occur when laser light with an intensity of 10^^10 W/cm2 to 10^^12 W/cm2 will occur. If you are interested, experimental results have been published as verification. That is 9 orders of magnitude less than unaided photo irradiation. Experiments using gold nano-particles in water suspension irradiated by laser light of this reduced level of intensity do in fact occur.

Since then, experimentally verified light amplification by nano-structures has been observed to reach a top end of 10 to the 15 power.

The idea is that if more and more nano-particle infrared photo concentration is applied to a system, then less and less infrared photon input energy will produce a nuclear reaction.

In current photo reactors under development, with additional tweaking of more effective methods and materials, together with improved nano-structure shapes and topology, it is not unreasonable to expect that 10 to the 20th power concentration or more of photo amplification might be reached.

In current photo based nuclear reactors, that means that it is reasonable to assume that nuclear reactions will occur if UNAPMLIFIED infrared light were to interact with properly engineered nanostructures.

Increased infrared photo amplification is what has been done in the design of the current crop of Nickel/Hydrogen reactors.

By the way, both the Mills reactor and the Santilli process are other examples of photo reactors but these inventors just don’t know it yet.

The Open Physical Chemistry Journal, 2013, 5, 17-27

Confirmations of Santilli’s Intermediate Controlled Nuclear Fusion of Deuterium and Carbon Into Nitrogen Without Harmful Radiations

J. V. Kadeisvili, C. Lynch and Y. Yang

Abstract: We present five independent confirmations of the intermediate controlled nuclear fusion of Nitrogen from Deuterium and Carbon without the emission of harmful radiations or the release of radioactive waste, first achieved by R. M. Santilli [12] following extended mathematical, theoretical and experimental research, and preliminarily confirmed by
R.Brenna, T. Kuliczkowski, and L.Ying [13].

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/topc ... 7TOPCJ.pdf

This is just another spark driven nanoplasmonic LENR system.

The photo driven anapole magnetic field produced by nanoparticles is recognized by the inventor but it is called a Santilli magnecules.

A pattern is forming involving spark driven nanoparticle based LENR systems: Santilli, Mills, Rossi and DGT.

The inventors of these systems all have a differing theoretical explanation of their reaction, but they are all basically the same nanoplasmonic driven photo reactors.

As a system's engineering principle, it is good to have many possible commercial products that may eventually make it into the LENR marketplace. We don't want to put all our eggs in one basket.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Axil, your brilliance is astounding, even to yourself.

One of these days you might actually realize what babble you have been spouting.

Dude.

I swear you use some kind of word search alogrythm and when it finds matches you jump all over it as a supreme new fact.

It is truly amazing how much smarter you think you are than everyone else.

You should spend some time with the troll, wherever he went.

I love your classic logic lines, "They don't see it! I see it! DONT YOU SEE IT!?!? It is RIGHT THERE, SEE!!!! SEE!!!!!!"
Unfortunately folks can't see your pet invisible purple unicorn what lives in your garage.
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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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ladajo wrote:Axil, your brilliance is astounding, even to yourself.

One of these days you might actually realize what babble you have been spouting.

Dude.

I swear you use some kind of word search alogrythm and when it finds matches you jump all over it as a supreme new fact.

It is truly amazing how much smarter you think you are than everyone else.

You should spend some time with the troll, wherever he went.

I love your classic logic lines, "They don't see it! I see it! DONT YOU SEE IT!?!? It is RIGHT THERE, SEE!!!! SEE!!!!!!"
Unfortunately folks can't see your pet invisible purple unicorn what lives in your garage.

Ladajo

You have revealed to the world that you are a EAGLES fan. No wonder; I have you pegged; From what I can tell of you demeanor and the behavior here in this thread, you spring from that despicable Eagles fan culture. Form an early age, you got your interpersonal behavioral training at the Vet and then graduated to the Linc for advanced study.


Your kind will chuck snowballs at Santa Clause. Their obnoxious is legendary through the length and breadth of this country. Unbelievable, aggressive, rude, pushy, annoying and even violent. The city made the team build a police holding cell and a little court room with a district magistrate inside the stadium to dispense swift justice to your kind!

These fans are always completely wasted, cursing at children to sit down, shut up if they rooted for the opposition. In fact, a group of fans oftentimes throw drinks down on the people sitting below them. They are the most detestable specimens of mankind. Anyone who goes to an Eagles game is taking their lives in their hands. It’s totally out of control. When you have grown men in their 40s threatening children you know it’s a problem. And this is where you are coming from.

Your kind wants to win and you don't care how they do it, and when they lose, they get real mean.

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Re: 10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Wow hold on and let me pop some popcorn.
I am not a nuclear physicist, but play one on the internet.

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