10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)
Point is that DK is questioning Rossi's credibility which is odd because they can't be credible themselves unless Rossi is credible.pbelter wrote:I thought that was pretty obvious. There are either both fraud on neither is. Public relation skills have nothing to do with facts and the fact is that whatever DK have got, they got it from Rossi.seedload wrote:
1) Questions credibility of Rossi's claims. If Rossi is uncredible then why would DK's derivation of Rossi's invention be credible?
That said, if DK claims that NI58 is reacting, then they have can't have a viable product. NI58 plus a proton does not result in stable copper, it results in radioactive nickel. No way around that.
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Stick the thing in a tub of water! Sheesh!
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... -black-box
Interesting read. Nice photos from July showing Rossi 1MW still sitting on the floor of the Bologna garage. As well as a statement from Rossi about having sold 2 more for September delivery. Ooops. Guess that didn't happen.
And one has to wonder when Secret Customer #2 will ever get their unit. Or is it Secret Customer #1's that has never moved...it is so confusing...
And once more for the record, UoB states clearly they are not working with Rossi.
Interesting read. Nice photos from July showing Rossi 1MW still sitting on the floor of the Bologna garage. As well as a statement from Rossi about having sold 2 more for September delivery. Ooops. Guess that didn't happen.
And one has to wonder when Secret Customer #2 will ever get their unit. Or is it Secret Customer #1's that has never moved...it is so confusing...
And once more for the record, UoB states clearly they are not working with Rossi.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
I'm sorry, where did Rossi ever state that he had sold MORE than one unit to the "military" customer? Did I miss it?ladajo wrote: Of note is in the recent exchanges, Rossi goes back to saying only 1 Ecat 1MW unit has been sold to the ever secret "military" customer. What happened to the other sale(s) he previously stated had occured???.
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from his blogKitemanSA wrote:I'm sorry, where did Rossi ever state that he had sold MORE than one unit to the "military" customer? Did I miss it?ladajo wrote: Of note is in the recent exchanges, Rossi goes back to saying only 1 Ecat 1MW unit has been sold to the ever secret "military" customer. What happened to the other sale(s) he previously stated had occured???.
Rossi was asked at the JONP whether he had sold 2 or more plants, and he answered, “more.” Also, asked if he could say who any of the other customers were he declined to do so saying, “I want not our Customers assailed by the puppetts moved by their puppetteers. Let the plant go to work, then they will reveal themselves automatically. Probably you did not understand that there is a war against us.”
Lets get this straight.paperburn1 wrote:from his blogKitemanSA wrote:I'm sorry, where did Rossi ever state that he had sold MORE than one unit to the "military" customer? Did I miss it?ladajo wrote: Of note is in the recent exchanges, Rossi goes back to saying only 1 Ecat 1MW unit has been sold to the ever secret "military" customer. What happened to the other sale(s) he previously stated had occured???.
Rossi was asked at the JONP whether he had sold 2 or more plants, and he answered, “more.” Also, asked if he could say who any of the other customers were he declined to do so saying, “I want not our Customers assailed by the puppetts moved by their puppetteers. Let the plant go to work, then they will reveal themselves automatically. Probably you did not understand that there is a war against us.”
To which I ask where Rossi had ever said he had sold more than one to the military customer and you came back with that?Ladajo wrote:Of note is in the recent exchanges, Rossi goes back to saying only 1 Ecat 1MW unit has been sold to the ever secret "military" customer. What happened to the other sale(s) he previously stated had occured???
Blinded by your preconceptions are you?
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Lets get this straight.
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Checked the web site and you are correct, He states he sold one to a military customer and they put on order 11 more. So only one has been sold with 11 on backorder..
To which I ask where Rossi had ever said he had sold more than one to the military customer and you came back with that?Ladajo wrote:Of note is in the recent exchanges, Rossi goes back to saying only 1 Ecat 1MW unit has been sold to the ever secret "military" customer. What happened to the other sale(s) he previously stated had occurred???
Blinded by your preconceptions are you?[/quote]
Checked the web site and you are correct, He states he sold one to a military customer and they put on order 11 more. So only one has been sold with 11 on backorder..
Mea culpa.
It is so hard to nail which misrepresentation or lie we are talking about with Rossi.
To clarify, I was talking about not only claims of multiple units sold to the Military, but also that after he claimed he had sold one, it showed up as not ever moving from the Bologna Garage. And then was subsequently claimed to be under upgrade following the "sale acceptance" by the ever mysterious Fiorivanti. Since then, it appears to have still never moved, but subsequenlty claimed to have been sold to a second commerical customer that would allow visits, then qualified to be "select persons only" visits, that never seem to have occured. At different points delivery was promised, then revised, then claimed, then promised, then revised.
All apparent evidence seems to show that the same 1MW unit from the "Fiorivanti" acceptance test for the secret (US) military customer still remains in the Bologna garage. No evidence has ever surfaced that another 1MW has been built nor delivered anywhere other than changing target Rossisaids. Lately, Rossi has even backpedeled more, no speaking of being able to deliver a 1MW based on "impending certification", which in turn has apparently surfaced to be simply a review that he bolted together off the shelf certified stuff in manner that is safe.
Vaporware.
And it still remains that there is no purchase paperwork to be found in the US military system indicating that the US military has purchased anything from Rossi except the previous army scam he ran.
It is so hard to nail which misrepresentation or lie we are talking about with Rossi.
To clarify, I was talking about not only claims of multiple units sold to the Military, but also that after he claimed he had sold one, it showed up as not ever moving from the Bologna Garage. And then was subsequently claimed to be under upgrade following the "sale acceptance" by the ever mysterious Fiorivanti. Since then, it appears to have still never moved, but subsequenlty claimed to have been sold to a second commerical customer that would allow visits, then qualified to be "select persons only" visits, that never seem to have occured. At different points delivery was promised, then revised, then claimed, then promised, then revised.
All apparent evidence seems to show that the same 1MW unit from the "Fiorivanti" acceptance test for the secret (US) military customer still remains in the Bologna garage. No evidence has ever surfaced that another 1MW has been built nor delivered anywhere other than changing target Rossisaids. Lately, Rossi has even backpedeled more, no speaking of being able to deliver a 1MW based on "impending certification", which in turn has apparently surfaced to be simply a review that he bolted together off the shelf certified stuff in manner that is safe.
Vaporware.
And it still remains that there is no purchase paperwork to be found in the US military system indicating that the US military has purchased anything from Rossi except the previous army scam he ran.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
This is true. The fact that it is true also makes it a simple exercise to individually defend each of Rossi's misrepresentations with a potential alternative explanation or theory of mis-communication.ladajo wrote: It is so hard to nail which misrepresentation or lie we are talking about with Rossi.
But, it the shear volume of these apparent misrepresentations, which you have done such an admirable job of documenting, that is indefensible. While Kite has demonstrated an affinity for theorizing in defense of individual Rossi statements by performing the before mentioned "simple exercise", he has done nothing to attend to the overwhelming volume of these misrepresentations - nor can he.
It is for this reason that I do not predict a fruitful outcome to your resurrected line of communication with him.
Stick the thing in a tub of water! Sheesh!
Isn't it a bitch when someone make a choice.
Do as you wish Kite. But know that unitl you can show you have done the legwork, the more you babble the less folks think of your opinion. Personally it matters not to me if you do or not. Until now, you have been digger a deeper troll hole on this one. You have been baiting, nothing more nothing less.
Yes, my mind is made up. After extensive review of available evidence, I have determined that Rossi is, and has been full of shit. Whatever is in his box may or may not be something, but that is irrelevant to the fact that he is a money seeking scammer who attempts to justify his position with claimed high and mighty ideals of "saving the world". He is simply preying on folks fears, and using that to generate some income. If there is something in his box (which for the record is Piantelli's box), then Rossi will not be the first to anything useful with it. To date, he has been nothing but a rolling tumbleweed of misrepresentation and lies.
Does that clear up my choice?
Do as you wish Kite. But know that unitl you can show you have done the legwork, the more you babble the less folks think of your opinion. Personally it matters not to me if you do or not. Until now, you have been digger a deeper troll hole on this one. You have been baiting, nothing more nothing less.
Yes, my mind is made up. After extensive review of available evidence, I have determined that Rossi is, and has been full of shit. Whatever is in his box may or may not be something, but that is irrelevant to the fact that he is a money seeking scammer who attempts to justify his position with claimed high and mighty ideals of "saving the world". He is simply preying on folks fears, and using that to generate some income. If there is something in his box (which for the record is Piantelli's box), then Rossi will not be the first to anything useful with it. To date, he has been nothing but a rolling tumbleweed of misrepresentation and lies.
Does that clear up my choice?
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
First, what makes you say the photos are from July? Second, why do you contend that the photos are of the original M-Cat that was left for modification prior to removal?ladajo wrote:http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... -black-box
Interesting read. Nice photos from July showing Rossi 1MW still sitting on the floor of the Bologna garage. As well as a statement from Rossi about having sold 2 more for September delivery. Ooops. Guess that didn't happen.
And one has to wonder when Secret Customer #2 will ever get their unit. Or is it Secret Customer #1's that has never moved...it is so confusing...
You must be getting winded with all the conclusion jumping you are doing!
