Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:40 pm
I saw that clip. I was not impressed.Aero wrote:Yes. This is not the place for a serious post. This thread is all about beating up on Rossi so you should create a new thread and ask your question anew.
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I saw that clip. I was not impressed.Aero wrote:Yes. This is not the place for a serious post. This thread is all about beating up on Rossi so you should create a new thread and ask your question anew.
And that is 200 pages on the new thread... The old threadMSimon wrote:Looks like we hit
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tomclarke>"It has been clear from the start that Rossi is a joker"tomclarke wrote:It has been clear from the start that Rossi is a joker: and consistently so. What stripe of joker (scammer, idiot who believes his own inconsistency) who can tell. But he does not have much understanding of science or would be less obviously inconsistent.cgray45 wrote:Or to be blunt, explain why Rossi can't seem to even handle pre-graduate level work in terms of being able to devise a method to accurately measure his energy production.tomclarke wrote:
Always pointing us to 3000 papers etc is not helpful, and does not prove your point.
These are not minor issues-- saying you're generating about 1MW or even 500+KW when the heat output looks more liek what I get from my teakettle pretty much throws you out of the "we should take you seriously" area.
Rossi is a fraud, or delusional, and he is doing the LENR community no favors, because it is already seen in a dubious light by mainstream scientists and this makes it worse.
We're not even talking about science here-- we're talking about someone who is taking the classical scammer route or playing up his invention while doing everything he can to avoid having it tested-- he talks about Bologna, or NASA and then we find it that HE was the one who after the headlines died, changed the terms to keep NASA from testing it, and then hasn't paid the U of B their fee so they won't test it.
That said, the interesting thing is why so many folks get excited about his claims. I think this is largely because he is personally (others have claimed) very convincing, certainly appears honest, and has been clever in getting some technical people on his side. There will always be enough of technical people willing to suspend critical judgement (or maybe who never exercise critical judgement) when presented with promises of miracles.
That of course is the problem with LENR. It promises miracles, and so those interested in it will often be seekers after miracles. Not always the best scientists. Not helped by a few Nobel prize winners in different fields also attracted by miracles. (Rather like famous physicists turning highly and weirdly mystical in their retirement, a common phenomenon).
Neither was I. It is a fluff piece without merit. I don't know the credentials of the person, or if conditional statements (like ' If this idea works, then...) were edited out.MSimon wrote:I saw that clip. I was not impressed.Aero wrote:Yes. This is not the place for a serious post. This thread is all about beating up on Rossi so you should create a new thread and ask your question anew.
How will you apologize for your many insults should the E-Cat turn out to be real?It has been clear from the start that Rossi is a joker: and consistently so. What stripe of joker (scammer, idiot who believes his own inconsistency) who can tell. But he does not have much understanding of science or would be less obviously inconsistent.
Well. Dang. I got that one wrong.How will you apologize for your many insults should the E-Cat turn out to be real?
That is the real trick isn't it? And after 20+ years we still don't have the answer to that one.if LENR is for real.
DOE should be closed down anyway.parallel wrote:MSimon,
I don't think that would quite hack it.
Remember what you promised me, many moons ago, should you be wrong?
With a mistake as huge as that, the huge, expensive, slow, dumb DoE should be closed down as an example.
And yeah. I remember. And I will. I'm still awaiting evidence of my error. Got any? With error bars?MSimon wrote:DOE should be closed down anyway.parallel wrote:MSimon,
I don't think that would quite hack it.
Remember what you promised me, many moons ago, should you be wrong?
With a mistake as huge as that, the huge, expensive, slow, dumb DoE should be closed down as an example.
I won't apologise for the insults, because they are the inevitable result of Rossi's behaviour.parallel wrote:tomclarkeHow will you apologize for your many insults should the E-Cat turn out to be real?It has been clear from the start that Rossi is a joker: and consistently so. What stripe of joker (scammer, idiot who believes his own inconsistency) who can tell. But he does not have much understanding of science or would be less obviously inconsistent.
Just as well the world is not made up of only pathological skeptics like you or there would be few new developments. You could apply for a position with the DoE: you would fit right in.
Oh. Just what specific behavior has given you license to make your libelous remarks?tomclarke wrote:I won't apologise for the insults, because they are the inevitable result of Rossi's behaviour.parallel wrote:tomclarkeHow will you apologize for your many insults should the E-Cat turn out to be real?It has been clear from the start that Rossi is a joker: and consistently so. What stripe of joker (scammer, idiot who believes his own inconsistency) who can tell. But he does not have much understanding of science or would be less obviously inconsistent.
Just as well the world is not made up of only pathological skeptics like you or there would be few new developments. You could apply for a position with the DoE: you would fit right in.
But I reckon the chances of his having anything are very small (being right is of course no longer open to him when he has contradicted himself so often).