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Axil
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Coolbrucelong wrote:Axil:

Eliminate the defense department and the budget problem remains

The root cause of the US budgetary problem is the lack of tax payers. Capital investment means jobs and few if any of the world’s capital managers are investing in the US. They would now rather send capital to China. The US was at one time the only safe place to invest money; but no more.

Capital manages worldwide have now been irrationally dumping massive amounts of dollars into China to feed a liquidity bubble while the capital markets in the US have been very tight affecting a meager jobs creation process.


When the US Federal Reserve prints money to stimulate the US economy, that money flows to China instead. Hard as it is to believe, China has exhausted its supply of labor causing an escalating inflationary wage price spiral. The money that is supposed to pay for the employment of new US workers is going instead to fund inflationary pay raises for Chinese labor.


China’s decision to keep its currency weak has caused the Chinese government to lose control of inflation and risk fuelling and uncontrolled wage-price inflation.


It would be very advantageous to allow the Chinese currency to appreciate as a way of controlling their inflation. Of course, this would undermine Chinese exports and provide incentives in the US to rebuild some of its exported industrial base, something that the Chinese are loath to see happen. But the current bilateral situation is unsustainable. Something has to give sooner or later.


From a Chinese domestic perspective, the Lewis Turning Point (according to Sir W. Arthur Lewis, developing countries' industrial wages begin to rise quickly at the point when the supply of surplus labor from the countryside tapers off. The point, named after him, has recently gained wide circulation in the context of economic development in China) will crater productivity levels as wage rates rise.


The corollaries of this increase in wages and lower productivity are slower Chinese GDP growth, higher consumption, lower savings and a deteriorating external balance of payments aka current account deficits.


Also, Chinese labor shortages could spell inflation and trade deficits for China. When the wages of US workers and Chinese workers grow more equal, then the Capital will flow to India and create two billion new Indian jobs. These days, Capital will always flow to the lowest paid work force… unless somebody does something about it.

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Post by KitemanSA »

TallDave wrote:
Betruger wrote:In EMC2's case, they could already know. Scaling is still up in the air, but who knows how promising the data is up to now.
We have been told loss scaling is "excellent" and presumably that is for up to .8T.

Will that hold up to 5-10T? That's gotten MUCH more likely with the positive WB-8 results. Hopefully we'll get to find out for sure soon!
No, we have not been told that. Here is the statement.
the WB-8 device has demonstrated excellent plasma confinement properties. EMC2 is conducting high power pulsed experiments on WB-8 to test the Wiffle-Ball plasma scaling law on plasma energy and confinement
"Confinement" is excellent. Scaling is being investigated.

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Axil wrote:
Coolbrucelong wrote:Axil:

Eliminate the defense department and the budget problem remains

The root cause of the US budgetary problem is the lack of tax payers.
Going by the above quoted post in full, you don't think govt spending's a root cause of the budget crisis.

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We were projected toward surplus at one point....then we reduced revenue and engaged in costly military campaigns. At a time of war, one should never lower revenue....

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ScottL wrote:We were projected toward surplus at one point....then we reduced revenue and engaged in costly military campaigns. At a time of war, one should never lower revenue....
Well, to be fair - before 9/11 hit, we didn't know we were going into a war.

But now that we're in one - anyone check out savings bond return rates lately? Remember the War Bonds and War Stamps from WW2?

Today, the Series I fixed rate bond is giving a massive 0.00% return. Not a misprint - we're talking triple goose eggs. I don't know why you'd want one, honestly.

The Series I Variable bond gives 4.6%, but that adjusts every six months, and the previous rate was 0.74%.

http://www.savingsbonds.com/rates.cfm

I think I'll stay with ING Direct. Might only be 1%, but that's a lot better than the local banks will give me.

As far as Polywell goes - I'm glad the WB-8's doing at least HALF the job it's supposed to. If this process actually makes it through development, if they max out WB-8 and get the data they expect, that could be a real game-changer.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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Post by ScottL »

JLawson wrote:
ScottL wrote:We were projected toward surplus at one point....then we reduced revenue and engaged in costly military campaigns. At a time of war, one should never lower revenue....
Well, to be fair - before 9/11 hit, we didn't know we were going into a war.

But now that we're in one - anyone check out savings bond return rates lately? Remember the War Bonds and War Stamps from WW2?

Today, the Series I fixed rate bond is giving a massive 0.00% return. Not a misprint - we're talking triple goose eggs. I don't know why you'd want one, honestly.

The Series I Variable bond gives 4.6%, but that adjusts every six months, and the previous rate was 0.74%.

http://www.savingsbonds.com/rates.cfm

I think I'll stay with ING Direct. Might only be 1%, but that's a lot better than the local banks will give me.

As far as Polywell goes - I'm glad the WB-8's doing at least HALF the job it's supposed to. If this process actually makes it through development, if they max out WB-8 and get the data they expect, that could be a real game-changer.
As of 9/11 those bills that decreased revenues should have been reversed...but how does this topic keep getting changed?

Is there any more from the Rossi drama blog today?

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Greek TV report says Rossi and Defkalion are back together


From Channel 6

QUOTED in its entirety:

"The process of establishing a power plant in Xanthi that uses hydrogen-nickel fusion continues, as the problems that seemed to exist between the inventor and the company undertaking the building of this plant have been overcome, and everything will now continue as originally planned.

Clouds have been seen in recent days in relations between the inventor of the device producing energy from hydrogen-nickel fusion, Andrea Rossi, and Defkalion Green Technologies, the company which is planning to install the relevant equipment for the power plant in Xanthi. Andrea Rossi, in his recent statement, talked about suspending cooperation with the Greek company Defkalion, and of turning to a big company in the U.S. instead. But as in all dramas, the crisis in relations between the inventor and the company has been overcome, and arrangements are now progressing normally.

Channel 6 contacted the the CEO of Defkalion, Mr Ksanthoulis, who makes it clear that Mr. Rossi has every right to cooperate with the US company since their agreement does not prohibit it. However, what is important is that any problems are overcome and the investment proceeds as originally planned.

In closing Mr. Xanthoulis attributed all this disruption to the pressures on both Defkalion and on Mr Rossi, who according to Mr. Xanthoulis, was more vulnerable to such pressure."
Maybe the Scam alert level can now be lowered some?

Also, Andrea Rossi is surly a temperamental dude.

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Surely is only one letter away from surly. Oddly appropriate?

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Post by Ivy Matt »

Axil wrote:Maybe the Scam alert level can now be lowered some?
I don't see why either the breakup or the (possible) reunion should have much of an effect on the scam alert level. The incongruity between the statements of Rossi and Defkalion, on the other hand, is a cause for suspicion, and a reunion doesn't change what was said.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Axil wrote:Greek TV report says Rossi and Defkalion are back together


From Channel 6

QUOTED in its entirety:

"The process of establishing a power plant in Xanthi that uses hydrogen-nickel fusion continues, as the problems that seemed to exist between the inventor and the company undertaking the building of this plant have been overcome, and everything will now continue as originally planned.

Clouds have been seen in recent days in relations between the inventor of the device producing energy from hydrogen-nickel fusion, Andrea Rossi, and Defkalion Green Technologies, the company which is planning to install the relevant equipment for the power plant in Xanthi. Andrea Rossi, in his recent statement, talked about suspending cooperation with the Greek company Defkalion, and of turning to a big company in the U.S. instead. But as in all dramas, the crisis in relations between the inventor and the company has been overcome, and arrangements are now progressing normally.

Channel 6 contacted the the CEO of Defkalion, Mr Ksanthoulis, who makes it clear that Mr. Rossi has every right to cooperate with the US company since their agreement does not prohibit it. However, what is important is that any problems are overcome and the investment proceeds as originally planned.

In closing Mr. Xanthoulis attributed all this disruption to the pressures on both Defkalion and on Mr Rossi, who according to Mr. Xanthoulis, was more vulnerable to such pressure."
Maybe the Scam alert level can now be lowered some?

Also, Andrea Rossi is surly a temperamental dude.
Andrea Rossi
August 12th, 2011 at 3:05 AM
Dear H. Visscher:
Again, and for the last time:
IT IS TOTALLY FALSE THAT WE AND DEFKALION ARE TOGETHER AGAIN.
THE PRESS RELEASE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED BY EFA SRL ON AUGUST 6TH 2011 HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED THE SITUATION.
WE WILL NOT RETURN ON THIS ISSUE.

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Post by Axil »

A recent post from Rossi on his web site clarifies the Defkalion situation:
Andrea Rossi
August 12th, 2011 at 3:05 AM
Dear H. Visscher:
Again, and for the last time:
IT IS TOTALLY FALSE THAT WE AND DEFKALION ARE TOGETHER AGAIN.
THE PRESS RELEASE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED BY EFA SRL ON AUGUST 6TH 2011 HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED THE SITUATION.
WE WILL NOT RETURN ON THIS ISSUE.
At this juncture, Rossi’s reactor appears to be too unstable to use in the home market.

This excerpt from a Swedish website might explain why Defkalion Green Technologies (DGT) failed to pay EFA (Rossi's wife), and Rossi was upset.

The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical requirements. As anticipated in the LTTA for the purpose of determining if EFA has met said requirements, a test was performed in late July 2011. While the test conclusively showed that most of these requirements indeed were reached, some were not; the most important one being full working stability of the reactor. As provided in the LTTA, DGT therefore requested a second test. However, EFA has refused to participate in such a test despite the fact that such non-participation clearly constitutes a material breach of contract. Such a test is and has always been a prerequisite for DGT confidently going forward with the collaboration with EFA.

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So much drama for so little science.

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Post by Ivy Matt »

Giorgio wrote:From Physorg.com website:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-con ... video.html
Previous descriptions of the process as “cold fusion” are incorrect; although the process is not completely understood, it is likely a weak interaction involving neutrons, without fusion.
:roll:

If you're going to make the effort to annoy both extremes of the cold fusion debate, you might at least take the time to examine the numerous explanatory hypotheses, check which have been confirmed experimentally, and draw your own conclusions from there. Now, it's possible the Physorg writer did just that, but considering Steven Krivit's prominence in this article....
Axil wrote:This excerpt from a Swedish website might explain why Defkalion Green Technologies (DGT) failed to pay EFA (Rossi's wife), and Rossi was upset.

The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical requirements. As anticipated in the LTTA for the purpose of determining if EFA has met said requirements, a test was performed in late July 2011. While the test conclusively showed that most of these requirements indeed were reached, some were not; the most important one being full working stability of the reactor. As provided in the LTTA, DGT therefore requested a second test. However, EFA has refused to participate in such a test despite the fact that such non-participation clearly constitutes a material breach of contract. Such a test is and has always been a prerequisite for DGT confidently going forward with the collaboration with EFA.
A likely explanation...devised by a commenter on a Swedish forum. See also the comments from Greven and Frederik K here.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Post by Carl White »

So, I guess that's sort of it, now?

No more October deadline for delivery of the 1 MW plant to Defkalion.

No report on tests by Greek authorities.. did Defkalion ever have units to test?

I suppose we'll hear a few more squawks but things in general seem set to just fade away, for another couple of years at least.

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