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Diogenes wrote:What do you think is the PURPOSE of morality other than existence?

I don't think that morality necessarily has a purpose any more than, say, the universe has a purpose.

tomclarke wrote:

CKay wrote:Diogenes isn't a Libertarian - read some of his other threads.

In that case I just find it confusing.

He is.

Diogenes isn't a Libertarian - read some of his other threads.

Missed one of Diogenes' axioms.

• Interfering with a natural process so as to alter the outcome is morally wrong.

How one distinguishes between natural processes and unnatural interference is anyone's guess - see the naturalistic fallacy.

The purpose of a moral system is in ensuring that the genes of its adherents are passed on (so the morality of an action is down to whether it aids the transfer of genetic material - this a special case of utilitarian argument). And even as a utilitarian argument it is pretty gross. Ultimately an e...

I think what Diogenes(an others) is saying that the ability of a given set of practices/beliefs to propagate themselves successfully at the expense of others is a more important measure of success than any abstract "proof" of superiortiy which is probably unobtainable anyway. Note that this all cam...

If you happen to believe that the essential truth of a moral system is a function of its tendency to promote itself and the genes of those that adhere to it, that's fine. But it is only your belief - an unprovable assertion (and one that will surely lead to all sorts of strange conclusions). It's c...

One that cannot exist cannot exert any influence. It is effectively a Zero. A system which exists is superior to a system that doesn't exist because IT has an ability to assert influence. Existence vs. NonExistence is a pretty objective standard in my opinion. Existence doesn't make something moral...

If it cannot survive, it is obviously a false system. Non sequitur. Didn't we just go over this with the cogito ergo sum thing? Nope. There is no objective proof of the rightness or wrongness of any moral system. If you happen to believe that the essential truth of a moral system is a function of i...

[Islam] is still currently stuck in the middle ages, and it is therefore necessary to be wary of it. Yep, I agree. And I would extend the same wariness to fundamental Christianity too - plenty of religious nutters in your own good country praying for the end of days. Being wary is one thing - blowi...

Diogenes wrote:If it cannot survive, it is obviously a false system.

Non sequitur.

But they will be unable to maintain the infrastructure. Unless Allah wills it. Ah, but I thought your argument was that Arabs don't do machinery - and Turkey isn't an Arabic nation (the Turks were originally from Central Asia). Did you read deAtkine? It is culture and political culture. Not just Ar...

MSimon wrote:But they will be unable to maintain the infrastructure. Unless Allah wills it.

Ah, but I thought your argument was that Arabs don't do machinery - and Turkey isn't an Arabic nation (the Turks were originally from Central Asia).

double post

Turkey is of course a predominantly Islamic nation. /shrug America has about 1/3 of the world's known reserves of Boron. Turkey 2/3rds. So with new energy tech (in this case Polywell) an Islamic nation might become energy self sufficient and less vulnerable to outside forces. Thanks for proving my ...