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by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

I think the 'Prestige' argument is the best one. Questions of identity aside, one of you will die. I'm guessing, since you did upload your brain, you were worried about that. What if it's you? In this scenario, there are two copies of me. One copy will die; I'm OK with that, as long as one copy liv...
by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

All of this talk of instantaneous identity is somewhat beside the point. I've thought about that before, and it doesn't explain why I am I and you are you, which is the main issue here. Yes, you are right, this is the issue called "personal identity" in philosophical circles. And here's the answer:...
by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

The issue here seems to be continuity of consciousness. And yes, we do have periods of unconsciousness, but we have a *sense* of continuity. That sense is not possible either in The Prestige scenario, or in the mind-upload scenario because the continuity of consciousness is broken. As long as the p...
by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

Heh, I wrote a post about the identity and consciousness problem about this a while back. Me too, back in 1997 . This is an old argument that was (in my opinion, at least) resolved years ago. First off, consider that the you of this moment is not, strictly speaking, the you of a decade ago, a year ...
by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

I've never really understood why people are so excited about "mind uploading". I mean, so you upload your exact neural network pattern into a machine capable of emulating its function. Great. There is now an exact functional copy of your brain, which is effectively immortal. So what? Is that really...
by JoeStrout
Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:57 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

I think the discussion argues for a human in the loop. No autonomous systems. AI keeps the aircraft in the air. A human has to pull the trigger. I tend to agree — unfortunately, there are already places (Korea IIRC) where armed bots are given complete autonomy. That seems like an insanely bad idea ...
by JoeStrout
Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:46 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

Sure, but artificial senses are easy. It's doing something intelligent with all that data that is hard. Joe, you left out emotion which seems to be tied in to intelligence. People without emotion can't make decisions. It is in the literature. Yes, but artificial emotions are pretty easy too. Again,...
by JoeStrout
Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:06 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

Here's one thing, IMHO I do not believe intelligence, either Artificial or real is solely based on software or the brain. The only intelligence we know of, us, has a brain that is tightly connected to the environment by our senses. And our senses are tightly tied to our emotions. All of these toget...
by JoeStrout
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:21 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

When will complete mind uploading occur? Technically speaking it already is. My ideas in this forum are being recorded indefinitely as I write. No, technically speaking it is not, and recording of ideas has nothing to do with it. Mind uploading (still speaking technically) is the copying of a speci...
by JoeStrout
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:08 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

But if he is right about it being feasible, then I'm having trouble accepting that 'the masses' will allow the singularity to happen as he imagines it. If almost half the country is against abortion today, imagine the outcry over mind uploading! Maybe, but I doubt it. Many people objected to heart ...
by JoeStrout
Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:00 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ray Kurzweil, Cyberprophet or Crack-Pot?
Replies: 155
Views: 31708

Here's a thread I can't resist jumping into. Many good points have already been made, but here are a few worth emphasizing: 1. The term "Singularity" means different things to different people, but most would agree that when mind uploading (see also the Wikipedia entry ) is developed, that will coun...
by JoeStrout
Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:22 am
Forum: News
Topic: New Energy Reports the Latest
Replies: 59
Views: 19541

Enough

Unlike other forums, Talk-Polywell only uses moderation to extinguish spam and pr0n. We rely on the real contributors to self moderate in consultation with each other. True, and yet, this is the News forum — as several others have pointed out, this thread has degenerated far from anything resemblin...
by JoeStrout
Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:27 pm
Forum: News
Topic: New Energy Reports the Latest
Replies: 59
Views: 19541

Helius wrote:The Potential for neutrons will also cause alarm... and secrecy... That may happen long before net power is approached.
I don't see why. Neutron sources are easy to make, and are even commercially available. Nothing new there.

Best,
- Joe
by JoeStrout
Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:23 pm
Forum: Administration
Topic: Registered but not yet active?
Replies: 8
Views: 398162

Registered but not yet active?

We are getting deluged with spammers — a hundred or more of these slimy bottom-feeders signing up per day. I go through every week or two and try to clean them out, but it's a bit of a chore and I don't do it as often as I should. So, if you have registered with the forum but you can't yet log in be...
by JoeStrout
Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:58 am
Forum: News
Topic: New Energy Reports the Latest
Replies: 59
Views: 19541

The consensus here is that there is so much material available open source that once success is announced no country that wants to make one will be more than 5 to 7 years away from a working unit. Agreed. Just knowing, with certainty, that this general approach works, would be enough for China or J...